tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post116049153977654509..comments2023-09-12T12:07:08.126-02:30Comments on Web Talk - Newfoundland and Labrador: Minister of Fisheries Sells Out National Interests.Patriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1161547917074514422006-10-22T17:41:00.000-02:302006-10-22T17:41:00.000-02:30Still waiting for an answer:60% of the worlds bott...Still waiting for an answer:<BR/><BR/><B><I>60% of the worlds bottom dragging takes place on our continental shelf <BR/><BR/>What is the source for this "statistic"?<BR/><BR/>How is it measured? Number of ships? Tons of catch? Number of trawls?</I></B>WJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08070910923518931583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1161055156245345252006-10-17T00:49:00.000-02:302006-10-17T00:49:00.000-02:3060% of the worlds bottom dragging takes place on o...<B>60% of the worlds bottom dragging takes place on our continental shelf </B><BR/><BR/>What is the source for this "statistic"?<BR/><BR/>How is it measured? Number of ships? Tons of catch? Number of trawls?WJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08070910923518931583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1161023588740469672006-10-16T16:03:00.000-02:302006-10-16T16:03:00.000-02:30Some people seem to be confused about the issue he...Some people seem to be confused about the issue here. A U.N. moratorium on high seas bottom trawling would only cover international waters and would not be a ban. Because Canadians don't bottom trawl in international waters, a moratorium would have no effect on Canadian fishermen. It would be a temporary moratorium to give scientists time to find the fragile marine habitat before it is destroyed by dragging. Loyola Hearn wants to protect this habitat but he doesn't realize that it takes a lot of scientific effort and money to find these habitats. His plan is backwards in that you can't protect something if you don't know where it is.<BR/><BR/>While the U.K., Australia and many other country leaders (including George Bush) are listening to scientists that say that a temporary moratorium is needed, Loyola Hearn seems to be ignoring common sense and scientific evidence, which is embarrassing.<BR/><BR/>You can see scientists, fishermen, and other Canadians supporting a moratorium at www.deepseas.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160924636007892002006-10-15T12:33:00.000-02:302006-10-15T12:33:00.000-02:30How is Banning bottom (Moratorium) dragging on our...How is Banning bottom (Moratorium) dragging on our continental shelf the Nose, Tail, Flemish Cap. Which encompasses 40% of our continental shelf a bad thing for the people who live adjacent to and reap a livlyhhood from it such a bad thing?<BR/><BR/>The federation of provinces called Canada even says so themselves that canada doesn't do much bottom dragging either inside or outside the 200 mile of our continental shelf.<BR/><BR/>You can't have it both ways canada.<BR/><BR/>60% of the worlds bottom dragging takes place on our continental shelf most of which is done by foreign nations on the NT&FC with canada's blessing if not outright promotion as in the recent call for tenders in the US for quotas on the NT&FC. 200 100 metree long fatory freezer draggers are going night and day on the 40% of our continental shelf which lies outside the 200 mile limit. Catching everything from lump fish to cod a majority of which is thrown back because it isn't commercially viable species but gets thrown back dead. Then there is the indescriminant destructive damage being caused by destroying the bottom and biodiversity of the habitat.<BR/><BR/>We are already under moratorium inside the 200 mile limit so as to protect the quotas which are being taken on the NT&FC 40% continental shelf.<BR/><BR/>60% of 40% = 100% DESTRUCTIONNL-ExPatriatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15938647714308913350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160763966132733772006-10-13T15:56:00.000-02:302006-10-13T15:56:00.000-02:30Go ahead, ban bottom trawling, your only going to ...Go ahead, ban bottom trawling, your only going to hurt yourselves!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160757303525823802006-10-13T14:05:00.000-02:302006-10-13T14:05:00.000-02:30NL should team up with WWF and Greenpeace to ban t...NL should team up with WWF and Greenpeace to ban the seal hunt and then ban the deep water or any water for that matter, bottom trawling methods. NL could use the marketing and lobbying strategies that Greenpeace and the WWF employ and NL could provide an environmentally friendly model of green tourism and a renewable resource base fishery, ie hook and line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160665103903854442006-10-12T12:28:00.000-02:302006-10-12T12:28:00.000-02:30Patriot - Why the abundance of fish plants? Gover...Patriot - Why the abundance of fish plants? Governments don't spend money without a reason. You see during the time the fish plants were added, it was during that time Ottawa was gaining a firmer and firmer grip on the fish quotas and what could be done with that fish resource to make Canada into a stronger country both economically and a country with more foreign affairs clout. It was during that time that more monies were doled out for EI and it was during that time when the countries off Newfoundland and Labrador's waters increased from four, Portugal, Spain, France and England to many countries countries representing almos all the continents on earth. North Ameirca, South America, Europe, Asia, Greenland, Australia. I am not sure whether Afirca is represented there but the others are. These waters were accustomed to seeing 4 nations and now they are so many, I am not sure that we know who is out there.<BR/><BR/>Ottawa would never have given out the Employment Insurance to just to appease fishers. These fishers fish all their lives up to the 1970s without receiving EI, and they would have fished forever if things had been left alone. They would have eventually have figures out how to make big industry out of their resource. There was another reason obviously and that is why all those nations appeared off our coast. <BR/>It is a shocking state of affairs that which happened to the enormous fish resource that this province brough to Canada. And it is a shocking state of affairs what happened to our fishers who depended on that resource and had depended on it for 450 years before we had joined Canada.<BR/><BR/>I say the Federal Dept. of Foreign Affairs and International Trade have a lot to answer for. I would like for that subject to be brought to the forefront by our politicians and let us discuss it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160589726679273182006-10-11T15:32:00.000-02:302006-10-11T15:32:00.000-02:30You know, the last Anon might have thought he was ...You know, the last Anon might have thought he was being cruel and running us down in his comments but he actually raised some valid points (even with his condescending attitude and childish use of the term "Newfie")<BR/><BR/>Believe it or not ANON, we do understand our province better than you. However I agree that the over abundence of fish plants was simply a way to take advantage of the EI system (I wrote an article about that very subject earlier this year). <BR/><BR/>I also agree that some in the fishing industry do indeed apply pressure to politicians for bigger quotas than the science would warrant. I don't beleive it is right however and I don't believe the politicians should be in a position to use this fact to curry favour with voters.<BR/><BR/>You may be trying to paint us all as idiots here but in reality you might be surprised how many of us are actually aware of our internal issues and are trying to do something about them.<BR/><BR/>This is why I find your sort of stereotyping so offensive.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments if not the way they were presented.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160573509661045832006-10-11T11:01:00.000-02:302006-10-11T11:01:00.000-02:30You newfies are always whining about the Atlantic ...You newfies are always whining about the Atlantic fishery, how Ottawa is doing you wrong. Has it not occured to you that you have to take some of the responsibility for your plight? The DFO scientists reccomend a quota which is based on a sustainable harvest and your fishers cry that it isn't enough, so they go to their member and threaten or cajole to get their own way. I remember a news story from some years back where Newfie fishers were dumping cod that they had caught in some form of protest. It didn't occur to these neanderthals that this was wastefull.<BR/><BR/>You have an over capacity of fish processing plants and yet you want more plants....DUHHHHHHH. Basically, the only reason for the over capcity of plants, is to provide an excuse for newfies to qualify for the dole anyways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160572216801131052006-10-11T10:40:00.000-02:302006-10-11T10:40:00.000-02:30Exactly my point Jeanne! Just because he's a Newfo...Exactly my point Jeanne! <BR/><BR/>Just because he's a Newfoundlander doesn't mean he's any better or more trustworthy than any other politician.<BR/><BR/>Just look at Danny Williams! Dictator on the Rocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160570331148129192006-10-11T10:08:00.000-02:302006-10-11T10:08:00.000-02:30Who is surprised, really? Loyola Hearn was Ministe...Who is surprised, really? Loyola Hearn was Minister of Education in this province back in the '80s, but you will notice he also went along with Harper's slash-and-burn policy on literacy funding. When party policy collides with principle, you know which is going down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160500294862260162006-10-10T14:41:00.000-02:302006-10-10T14:41:00.000-02:30I see Stephen Harper managed to get a comment in a...I see Stephen Harper managed to get a comment in as Anon. According to the last yahoo it's fine to campaign by saying one thing and then do the opposite once in power, regardless of a politiican is from NL or not.<BR/><BR/>Here's a question for you:<BR/><BR/>If much of the world sees bottom dragging as a menace to the oceans, if the UN is trying to ban it, if Canada does not take part in high sees dragging themselves and if the very fishermen (from provinces outside NL as well as inside it) that the minister claims to be protecting are in favour of the ban and if the scientific evidence says it is destructive, what in your opinion makes this move by the government right? Is it because NLers disagree with it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160497326436478182006-10-10T13:52:00.000-02:302006-10-10T13:52:00.000-02:30Just because a person is FROM Newfoundland doesn't...Just because a person is FROM Newfoundland doesn't mean they are going to bat for Newfoundland everytime. That would wrong. That would not be fair representation for the whole country.<BR/><BR/>A Newfoundland politician in Ottawa still has to follow the same rules and regulations as anyone else. You vote for the Party ---not for where the candidate happened to be born.<BR/><BR/>Grow up already. You think that ANY polictician is going to go against his Party?? <BR/>It's easy to rant in the Opposition when you NEVER HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160496631669030072006-10-10T13:40:00.000-02:302006-10-10T13:40:00.000-02:30The preceeding comment was deleted due to the grap...The preceeding comment was deleted due to the graphic language contained within it.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160495919930284482006-10-10T13:28:00.000-02:302006-10-10T13:28:00.000-02:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160495588435288562006-10-10T13:23:00.000-02:302006-10-10T13:23:00.000-02:30AND who/what are you going to blame for this one?L...AND who/what are you going to blame for this one?<BR/><BR/>Let's see..... Stephen Harper<BR/>or maybe Ralph Klein<BR/><BR/>maybe the seals.....<BR/><BR/>or maybe the animal rights people.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Keep up the GRRREAT WORK!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160495214733671832006-10-10T13:16:00.001-02:302006-10-10T13:16:00.001-02:30OH NOYou poor little newfies.AGAIN?Cry a little bi...OH NO<BR/><BR/><BR/>You poor little newfies.<BR/><BR/>AGAIN?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Cry a little bit more. Keep those tears coming.<BR/><BR/>Maybe if you just ignore this mean old man, he will go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160495168362718662006-10-10T13:16:00.000-02:302006-10-10T13:16:00.000-02:30I personally didn't elect him. As for electing us...I personally didn't elect him. As for electing useless officials I simply ask the anons who commented to tell me which riding they live in. I bet your MP is a real winner huh? Who elected him or her jackass, was it you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160492736575361402006-10-10T12:35:00.000-02:302006-10-10T12:35:00.000-02:30You newfies sure know how to pick good representat...You newfies sure know how to pick good representatives, just goes to show how easily you newfies can be co-opted. Keep up the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1160492418897097542006-10-10T12:30:00.000-02:302006-10-10T12:30:00.000-02:30Your MINISTER.YOU ELECTED HIM.LMOA=======Your MINISTER.<BR/><BR/><BR/>YOU ELECTED HIM.<BR/><BR/>LMOA<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>=======Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com