tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post1233097812043411175..comments2023-09-12T12:07:08.126-02:30Comments on Web Talk - Newfoundland and Labrador: Atlantic Accord RevisitedPatriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-74058501846003713112007-10-10T12:47:00.000-02:302007-10-10T12:47:00.000-02:30The international trade happened and the footprint...The international trade happened and the footprints are there, nevertheless they appear covertly. The different nations which have fished off the Grand Banks for more than 30 years that were never there before, and the agriculture products and manufactured goods, which by whatever design have been traded for the same number of years to the same nations, is too big a coincidence to be ignored.<BR/><BR/>We know damn well that Canada is not going to have the bills of lading and shipping receipts in full view. This is and was meant to be a covert activity. The ones who orchestrated this type of trade, of course our politicians, would have bit the dust to have let their consitutents know that their precious fish and their livlihood would be thrown to the wind as fodder to trade other Canadian goods and services in this way. We know who the Masters of the Global Free Trade Movement in Canada were and what can we do about it?<BR/><BR/>I guess we can demand that the fish be taken out of the equation at this point, after all we passed that resources over to Ottawa/Canada to be sustained and maintained. So we could do it on the basis of that argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-7233192596868195422007-10-10T07:27:00.000-02:302007-10-10T07:27:00.000-02:30Follow the textile tradeFollow the textile tradeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-73463765501968371752007-10-10T07:26:00.000-02:302007-10-10T07:26:00.000-02:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-50289540941146326642007-10-10T01:08:00.000-02:302007-10-10T01:08:00.000-02:30Thank you Calvin for the leads; I'm going to check...Thank you Calvin for the leads; I'm going to check them out. A few comments: I expect that Wheat Board sales to the Soviets would have been one sort of transaction that involved trawler access to the Grand Banks. I expect the Auto Pact/FTA was somehow linked also to trade in Grand Banks resources. And I expect in the 80s that the Japanese traded low-priced manufactured goods (e.g machinery) for the right to dump half their caplin catch (the male half) in their zealous quest for high quality roe. But to date, all of this is hearsay and can only be backed up by mere speculation, not hard facts. Disclosure - I've come to ADORE salmon sashimi; it's raw fish carved up in the Japanese sushi way and IT'S A TREAT, even if it is farmed. Not taking the tuna sashimi any more though - moral reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-80249697819113452502007-10-09T12:54:00.000-02:302007-10-09T12:54:00.000-02:30In a case such such as fish quotas doled out for I...In a case such such as fish quotas doled out for International Trade and Foreign Affairs, all we have to do is use our logic. What country in its right mind would allow foreign nations a world away to come to its waters and fish away until the biomass of the fish is taken to such a low level that it is quite possible the resources will never again replenish itself? And besides Ottawa has those fish quotas under its wings. <BR/><BR/>Then, of course, there is the security factor. Can nobody remember Canada's air force off our coast chasing off planes supposedly which were Russian? I can I heard on the news sever times where Canada's air force scrambled to rendezvous such missions. Go figure. <BR/><BR/>Foreign fishing nations would never appear in Canadian waters without Canada's consent. Let us not be stupid? <BR/><BR/>And why would Canada give away such a resource as fish which is coveted for protein around the world. Again that is another world class resource the province of Newfoundland and Labrador passed over to Canada which if were administered properly could last the life of the world. <BR/><BR/>It is sad how we never get any thanks for what we have passed over to Ottawa/Canada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-57693614393836742552007-10-09T11:54:00.000-02:302007-10-09T11:54:00.000-02:30Calvin Thanks. If you dig deep enough you will fi...Calvin Thanks. If you dig deep enough you will find the information, but as with any covert activities carried out by governments, such affairs are buried under several levels and one has to use ones precious times to find the supporting information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-47950072552405840982007-10-09T11:21:00.000-02:302007-10-09T11:21:00.000-02:30A Fishy Business: The Abuse of American Trade Law ...A Fishy Business: The Abuse of American Trade Law in the Atlantic Groundfish Case of 1985-1986 <BR/>Alan M. Rugman, Andrew Anderson<BR/>Canadian Public Policy / Analyse de Politiques, Vol. 13, No. 2 (Jun., 1987), pp. 152-164<BR/>doi:10.2307/3550636<BR/>This article consists of 13 page(s).<BR/><BR/>http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0317-0861(198706)13%3A2%3C152%3AAFBTAO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5<BR/><BR/>http://weber.ucsd.edu/~carsonvs/papers/440.pdf<BR/><BR/>http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/brookings_trade_forum/v2000/2000.1baldwin.pdf<BR/><BR/>The Marine Fisheries: A Problem in International Cooperation <BR/>James Crutchfield<BR/>The American Economic Review, Vol. 54, No. 3, Papers and Proceedings of the Seventy-sixth Annual Meeting of the American Economic Association (May, 1964), pp. 207-218<BR/>This article consists of 12 page(s)<BR/><BR/>http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-8282(196405)54%3A3%3C207%3ATMFAPI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-U<BR/><BR/>Well as they say ,there is nothing better then a good read.From what I can take of thease writings Myles,the general impression is given that yes Canada has used the North Atlantic fish stocks in certain trade deals with nations around the world.<BR/><BR/>When asking a specific question to what trade deals i kept getting URL's that pointed to certain Governement web-sites that needed a user name and password.<BR/><BR/>So the conclusion that i have come to is that there is information out there,you just need the right permissions to get to the juicey stuff.Sorry i couldnt be more specific.But,I do think the information given by myself shows what certain people are saying is true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-67928104359292978122007-10-08T18:31:00.000-02:302007-10-08T18:31:00.000-02:30Hi calvin (et al) please feel free to send in any ...Hi calvin (et al) please feel free to send in any information you have that might assist in answering the Anon's question. I too have heard Baker, Hearn and others (including current NL First Party leader, Tom Hickey) talk of this and of specific instances. As far as anything firm in writing, not so much, but that isn't surprising as this is the sort of thing that would more likely get worked out behind closed doors.<BR/><BR/>As always, it's the comments and input of the readers that make Web Talk so dynamic. Fill your boots.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-36611708398892894592007-10-08T16:29:00.000-02:302007-10-08T16:29:00.000-02:30Just give us autonomy and control of our continent...Just give us autonomy and control of our continental shelf, water, floor and underneath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-74021904151021336602007-10-08T16:19:00.000-02:302007-10-08T16:19:00.000-02:30The now Federal Minister of Fisheries mentioned wh...The now Federal Minister of Fisheries mentioned when he was Opposition Fisheries Critic that Canada uses fish quotas for international trade once when he appeared in an interview on Radio in this province. I have heard Senator George Baker talk in terms of it as well when he was an MP.<BR/><BR/>And all one has to do is harken back to when there were just a few close European Nations fishing in Newfoundland and Labrador's offshore waters, countries like England, Spain, Portugal and France, and the fact that now from time to time, countries from all over whole world have quotas granted and fish in those same waters that are adjacent to Newfoundland and Labrador's shores. You will find Japan and Korea there, and many, many other countries that never appeared in our waters before free global trade appeared on the scene.<BR/><BR/>Now why would Canada allow the invasion of its coastal waters from such far away foreign nations, when Canada has been fighting with its closest and largest trading partner the United States for a decade over the softwood lumber dispute? Wouldn't such nations cause a state of alert if they appeared there without Canada's assent?<BR/><BR/>Canada would not allow such a thing to happen with the fish quotas which it holds so dearly in its hands. Fish is the most coveted and sought after protein source of the world. Why would Canada allow such a coveted resource to be pilfered without it having knowledge or it getting some sort of trade in return and consequently foreign affairs clout. <BR/><BR/>Now you don't think Ottawa is going to overtly admit to that, do you? Sure they would be hung out to dry for admitting that they allowed it to happen. But happen it did and now we have to live with the fact that most of that protein source has been taken to such a low bio-mass level that it might never return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-2946603695776554612007-10-08T14:54:00.000-02:302007-10-08T14:54:00.000-02:30October 08, 2007 4:35 AMMyles ,if you would like s...October 08, 2007 4:35 AM<BR/><BR/>Myles ,if you would like some help with this just let me know.I love a good search engine.;)<BR/><BR/>I would love too show people this 'theory'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-48309012552214035792007-10-08T04:35:00.000-02:302007-10-08T04:35:00.000-02:30I'm led to believe that in the past, N&L fishing r...I'm led to believe that in the past, N&L fishing rights were traded away in the interests of other Canadians to sundry other trading counterparties(foreign). I've never seen or been able to find any factual information to support this 'theory'. I'd love to have some solid ammo on this subject to lob back at the next ignoramus from Upper, Lower or Outer Canada that needs to be straightened out on exactly who it is that's been on the teat for going on 59 years. Can you post an item or suggest an item that maybe you have archived or provide the location of any reliable sources on the subject?<BR/><BR/>Thanks, <BR/>EJSe (a.k.a. A Big Black Dog with Two Tails)<BR/>Leduc County AB ex St. John'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com