tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post2069824183283825128..comments2023-09-12T12:07:08.126-02:30Comments on Web Talk - Newfoundland and Labrador: NB Premier Demands Profit from NL Hydro ResourcesPatriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-58321653036772111952009-04-06T21:41:00.000-02:302009-04-06T21:41:00.000-02:30Starrigan said...I fully agree that Labrador shoul...Starrigan said...<BR/><BR/><BR/>I fully agree that Labrador should be getting first crack at the hydro. I also believe that the smelter should have been built there. <BR/><BR/>I don't think we should be worrying about power blackouts and shortages in other parts of North America. That's more of a reason to attract companies to NL. We can offer cheap reliable power and lots of it. THAT alone should be a selling point. Not to mention a ready work force. Of course there's our geographical location, that is also a great advantage. Shipping is still the cheapest way to move goods. <BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/the_gospel_of_green/video.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>“Hermannn Scheer, called "Europe's Al Gore," a parliamentarian who is leading the way to increase Germany's reliance on renewable energy sources such as wind power and solar power. To date, 15% of Germany's energy comes from renewable sources. Scheer estimates that if Germany continues on this course, by 2030 that will be 100%. So, if one of the world major industrialized nations can achieve this, why can't a country like Canada? The answer may lie in the fifth estate's investigation of the influence, in this country, of conventional energy industry on politicians.”<BR/><BR/><BR/>Starrigan, I would have to say that I agree with your post 100%. The answer to our provinces economic woes does not lie in creating an industrial base from what the world can give us ,but rather what we can give them. Germany has turned its old eastern communist block region into one of the greatest economic developments in the world. How, by allowing foreign companies that speclize in renewable energy technology to come into eastern Germany and turn its unemployed citizens into productive workers that create ways of supplying the countries need for energy. Instead of going half way around the world to buy over priced Oil it decided to invest in its citizens and use its tax dollars to create what the world wants most. Clean energy. <BR/><BR/>The Europeans are against the seal hunt so bad; why not ask for a trade off. Instead of constantly fighting the rest of the world on the matter why not ask for a bit of help getting a renewable energy policy in place fro Newfoundland, and Labrador. This way we can give jobs to rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and have a product to sell what is in great demand.<BR/><BR/>Patriot, you say that there is no way that we are going to get the Lower ChurchHill developed without the economic demand for it. I would just like to say that the biggest industry that the Americans are looking to create today is a new energy industry. They are looking to invest Billions upon billions of dollars into this new industry. The city of Toronto is now looking to be the first city on the North American cotenant to be ready for the new electric car. Soon and I mean very soon, the time is coming when Canada will have to come to us because demand will be so high the north American cotenant will not be able to go without this natural resource.<BR/><BR/>If Newfoundland and Labrador were to follow the example of Europe, we could easily become the new economic superpower we have always meant to be. We have the people, the drive, and most importantly the need to be. What else do we have left?<BR/><BR/>" Republic Of "Ussrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368238716997023662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-91692415489287687712009-04-05T12:29:00.000-02:302009-04-05T12:29:00.000-02:30To Anon 12:15,As I've also said, I'd love to see a...To Anon 12:15,<BR/><BR/>As I've also said, I'd love to see as much power as possible, if not all of it used inside Labrador or the province as a whole, but it comes back to financing. The industry or market is not here for it now and without a market to sell the power too (locally) nobody and I mean nobody is goig to back the financing of the project.<BR/><BR/>Yes, this is a time when our provincial government should be working its A$$ off to attract industry, improve power lines in Labrador and do all the things that will allow the Lower Churchill, when it comes onstream, to benefit the economy of Labrador and the entire province. That doesn't change the fact that we are talking about millions of watts of power and nobody is going to simply provide loans in the hope somebody will move in to use it all. There is no way to avoid export of power but again, only the excess should be exported with strong contractual understanding that if the Province needs that power for growth then it can be recalled.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-28634211353617961602009-04-05T12:15:00.000-02:302009-04-05T12:15:00.000-02:30I, too, don't like the idea of Labrador not gettin...I, too, don't like the idea of Labrador not getting the full use of its power and I think that every accomodation should be made by our Newfoundland and Labrador Government to see that every part of Labrador is serviced by the energy that is generated there.<BR/><BR/>I also think that firstly our energy should be used only to build indutry right here in Labrador and Newfoundland. <BR/><BR/>I don't know why they will pay half the revenues generated to wheel it across any province, and to boot build Billions of dollars worth of infrastructure. <BR/><BR/>First things first - Build a vibrant and economic Labrador and Newfoundland first and foremost, and then any excess power after that is accomplished can go on the grid to be sold to whomever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-46774209268636319382009-04-03T20:44:00.000-02:302009-04-03T20:44:00.000-02:30WJM still skulking around, just couldn't help stic...WJM still skulking around, just couldn't help sticking his nose in.<BR/><BR/>I fully agree that Labrador should be getting first crack at the hydro. I also believe that the smelter should have been built there. <BR/><BR/>I don't think we should be worrying about power blackouts and shortages in other parts of North America. That's more of a reason to attract companies to NL. We can offer cheap reliable power and lots of it. THAT alone should be a selling point. Not to mention a ready work force. Of course there's our geographical location, that is also a great advantage. Shipping is still the cheapest way to move goods. <BR/>Building a viable manufacturing base doesn't happen over night but if you don't start going after companies to set up here, then it will never happen. We don't need to start with huge manufacturers, we need to use the gradient scale. Start off small, do things right, learn, and build from there. It can be done it takes a well laid out plan and a whole lot of political will.Starriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12694825429178649084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-53102596114865088032009-04-03T06:41:00.000-02:302009-04-03T06:41:00.000-02:30By the way WJM, the preceding links are only a por...By the way WJM, the preceding links are only a portion of what I've written on this subject. I didn't list them all.Unfortunately some of the articles also contain less than glowing remarks about Todd Russell so I figured it was no good leaving those for your review. I didn't want to upset you too much.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-52998017032213262102009-04-03T06:32:00.000-02:302009-04-03T06:32:00.000-02:30To WJM,I don't like the idea of Labrador not getti...To WJM,<BR/><BR/>I don't like the idea of Labrador not getting full use of the power and though you don't want to admit it publicly you know that.<BR/><BR/>I also know you are trying to paint me as a "Danny kool-aid" drinker but why don't you try re-reading the following posts (I say re-read because In your federalist efforts to discredit this site you are stuck on this blog like Sh#t to a wool blanket)<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2008/02/update-who-do-you-believe.html<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2008/01/who-do-you-believe.html<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2007/06/giving-it-all-away.html<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2007/03/power-to-people-of-newfoundland-and.html<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2006/10/lower-churchill-last-chance-for.html’<BR/><BR/>http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blogspot.com/2006/10/will-lower-churchill-be-another.htmlPatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-80122563735956066912009-04-02T22:42:00.000-02:302009-04-02T22:42:00.000-02:30I've been a long time proponent of using as much o...<B>I've been a long time proponent of using as much of that power here in NL as possible (especially in Labrador where it is generated). </B><BR/><BR/>When are you going to post something then criticising Danny Williams-Government for his plan to transmit power FROM Labrador, but not WITHIN Labrador?WJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08070910923518931583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-47115694597435538862009-04-02T21:47:00.000-02:302009-04-02T21:47:00.000-02:30Ha Ha, it was because of the Americans , ............Ha Ha, it was because of the Americans , ...........<BR/><BR/><BR/>Like I say ,"God Bless America "Ussrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368238716997023662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-65167209615374400012009-04-02T21:46:00.000-02:302009-04-02T21:46:00.000-02:30Patriot did i hear that right.We are selling that ...Patriot did i hear that right.We are selling that electric for the same price,since 1969.<BR/><BR/>Well, I don't know why I should be so happy, it's only canada doing what it should. So its no big deal anyway.Lets do that with "The Lower ChurchHill"<BR/><BR/>" Forever Republic Of "Ussrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368238716997023662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-34486628056136513092009-04-02T21:23:00.000-02:302009-04-02T21:23:00.000-02:30"We don't begrudge our sister provinces in the reg..."We don't begrudge our sister provinces in the region for having taken full advantage of their resources and their geographic location," the Premier said in his speech to the Economic Club of Canada. "But in New Brunswick, we are going to leverage every advantage we have to the absolute fullest and since our geography is so advantageous to us we are not going to give it up for another jurisdiction to simply run wires through our province.”<BR/><BR/>why cant we use our air space in the same manner.it seems we gave up alot when it came to confederation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-61368234648922030912009-04-02T20:05:00.000-02:302009-04-02T20:05:00.000-02:30this is what they are singing in Ontario, over 34 ...this is what they are singing in Ontario, over 34 BILLION DOLLARS spent in Infastrcture,..........<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Lo4T8V6G0&feature=related<BR/><BR/>If your livin in Ontario :)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your 1.5 Billion Newfoundland and Labrador,.............cause ya Know B'ye !!!<BR/><BR/>They Beat poor danny Down FORTHIS !!!Ussrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368238716997023662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-32198517816817360452009-04-02T19:08:00.000-02:302009-04-02T19:08:00.000-02:30Myles it appears to me that North America is cryin...Myles it appears to me that North America is crying out for the much greener energy which can be produced by the Lower Churchill Hydro project. There have been a couple of times over the past when the total North American energy grid shut down because of low energy supply. In the meantime I don't know how it has been impacted with the the serious downturn of the Manufacturing Sectors.<BR/><BR/>Of course there will have to be survey done to ascertain how much energy will be needed and if they would sign on to the energy which would be created in NL.<BR/><BR/>After doing the proper surveys and finding out that there will be customers for the energy, through a combination of industries, wanting to set up base in the province and a customer base from outside the province willing to buy into the project, maybe the Public Service Sector Pension Plan contributors might think that it is a better investment vehicle for their retirement plan contributions than some of the junk vehicles, which their contributions got invested in over the past number of years.<BR/><BR/>Myles my thinking might be way off base on this, but I want to throw the thought out to your reading public.<BR/><BR/>If all things jived, I think a clean energy project, with a ready and willing customer base, would be a wonderful place to have their monies invested.<BR/><BR/>For instance the Ontario Pension Plan bidded on BCE, but it fell through, now they are bidding on something else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-31846793490547912872009-04-02T18:42:00.000-02:302009-04-02T18:42:00.000-02:30To Anon 10:14 AM,I've been a long time proponent o...To Anon 10:14 AM,<BR/><BR/>I've been a long time proponent of using as much of that power here in NL as possible (especially in Labrador where it is generated). I'd love nothing more than to see major companies, manufacturers, etc. courted to use it but (and this is a big but)...<BR/><BR/>The reality is that the only way to get financing for such a major project is to have buyers already in place so those backing the necessary loans can be assured of recovering their money.<BR/><BR/>We simply do not have the buyers here in the province for that much power right now.<BR/><BR/>Government can't open up manufacturing plants or smelters or whatever and run them. It's up to the private sector to do that once power and other infrastructure is avaiable.<BR/><BR/>This is the reality.<BR/><BR/>The perfect deal would see the export of any power we cannot use now so financing can be managed but with the ability to recall and use domestically any or all of that power over time as new industry is attracted by knowing they can get the power they need here.<BR/><BR/>As much as all of us would like it to be otherwise it isn't and won't be. That's why exporting the power has to be possible or the project will never move forward.<BR/><BR/>MylesPatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-24795881655802641842009-04-02T10:14:00.000-02:302009-04-02T10:14:00.000-02:30Why do we need to sell this coveted Hydroelectric ...Why do we need to sell this coveted Hydroelectric energy to anyone? Let us utilize it in our own province for manufacturing. <BR/><BR/>Keep the clean energy here and build industry out of it right here in Newfoundland and Labrador. <BR/><BR/>For God's sake it is going to cost Billions to build the system which will be needed to transport it off to the markets. And from what I can understand there is a certain amount of energy lost while transporting it over long distances, and then the other jurisdictions will probably demand their piece of the pie for going over their territory, so after all is said and done there will be very little revenue garnered from it anyway. <BR/><BR/>We should take the Billions that it would cost to build the transportation pipelines for the wheeling of the power and build Manufacturing structures out of it instead, and then convert every resources we have here into a finished product. <BR/><BR/>We should create here one of the GREATEST Manufacturing Centes, probably in the whole world. There will have to be a new economy forged after this Depression is over.<BR/><BR/>We can grow a Manufacturing Sector as well as any other place in the World. <BR/><BR/>The first thing though that we will have to build is our self-esteem, since we have completely lost that under the control of Ottawa. We have been brought down just like what they did to the First Nations people.<BR/><BR/>Why do we always think we cannot do anything? How did every other Manufacturing Center get started? <BR/><BR/>And unlike a lot of Manufacturing centers, where they have to import the raw ingredients, we, here,in Newfoundland and Labrador have all the ingredients needed to bake the Manufacturing pie.<BR/><BR/>We have Oil, Hydroelectric Energy Iron Ore, Minerals of all types for the Manufacturing center. AND WE HAVE THE RENEWABLE RESOURCE OF FISH.<BR/><BR/>Th coveted renewable resource which is craved by the whole world, FISH can be utilized as an eternal industry, if it is looked after probably and we should be able to do wonders with that resource. <BR/><BR/>We can harvest the fish, and process it in all the ways which are presently known to the world today.<BR/><BR/>We can clean and package some of the fish in the raw state. The remainder can be further processed through cooking and selling it to the World, which is hungry for the coveted fish protein. <BR/><BR/>If we assert ourselves, the world will have no other choice but buy it from us. That is what the European Union is doing today asserting themselves and telling us that we have to ban the seal, they come to our waters and take our fish with the signatory of Canada. We have to take back our power and our rights. <BR/><BR/>If Ottawa and the other provinces insist on continually, year after year, cutting Newfoundlanders and Labradorians off from our natural resource base and thus cutting us off from gaining parity with the rest of Canada and the world, well then we have no other choice but to take back control over our rich natural rescoure base and fend for ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Ottawa to date has prevented our province from the use of its resources through one way or another, and the one Contract which we did build to protect us against losing all of the revenue from our Oil, the Atlantic Accord, Ottawa has gutted that Contract over the last 3 Federal Budgets it brought down, and today we are getting almost nothing out of it.<BR/><BR/>It is time that we go through a World Court, if there really is one existing at moment due to the Depression, and state our case.<BR/><BR/>What has happened to the province of Newfoundland and Labrador by Ottawa and its neighbouring provinces and those even further afield is unconsciousable. No other place in the world would have allowed it. I am wondering when is our Premier really going to take the bull by the horns and do something about it. We have already heard enough rhetoric. We must demand action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com