tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post3550563669981848418..comments2023-09-12T12:07:08.126-02:30Comments on Web Talk - Newfoundland and Labrador: Loyola Hearn & John Crosbie - A World Apart PoliticallyPatriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-7081715911304538482007-10-22T19:32:00.000-02:302007-10-22T19:32:00.000-02:30The economic development agreement called the Atla...The economic development agreement called the Atlantic Accord has a clause in it which states that any changes to the D-Equalization formula will be added to not and or.<BR/><BR/>That's not what the CRAP parties promise was the CRAP party promised to basically give every province what Alberta was afforded back when equalization was originally implemented. His promise to not include 100% of non-renewable resource in the equalization formula is basically living up top one of the founding principles of this god forsaken federation that the provinces Own Control and are to be the primary beneficiaries of it's own resources.<BR/><BR/>You might want to go back and reread that document and the CRAP parties response to the NL provincial elected representative.<BR/><BR/>If what you say is true why hasn't Mr Casey been allowed back into the cabinet? Because Get even Steven knows the game and by stealing from the colonies and giving to the empire he will gain favor in his never ending quest from the PM's office to get a majority.<BR/><BR/>http://www.gov.nl.ca/atlanticaccord/<BR/><BR/>http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/2006/exec/01harper.pdfNL-ExPatriatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15938647714308913350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-90558700845483073642007-10-22T19:31:00.000-02:302007-10-22T19:31:00.000-02:30Starrigan said: "Canada is not "looking after us"...Starrigan said: "Canada is not "looking after us".<BR/><BR/>To that I'll add, "Nor do we want them to".<BR/><BR/>We were here for hundreds of years before entering confederation and we'll be here long after this joke of a country falls apart under its own corruption and crapulence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-24828062755261419202007-10-22T19:16:00.000-02:302007-10-22T19:16:00.000-02:30"Who will look after us?" It absolutely blows my m..."Who will look after us?" <BR/><BR/>It absolutely blows my mind that a politian from NL would say something so condescending. But then again I shouldn't be surprised given his track record. That whole attitude has to be stamped out of the minds of NL's. It's a Joey throwback that we can do without. NL was dragged into this federation and has been sucked dry ever since. Just like the colonies were by Britain. <BR/>I'm a big fan of Dannys independent attitude. Hopefully in the next few years people of NL will start to realize that they need out of this confederation before we're left with nothing. Opportunity is knocking and we as a people had better smarten up and take advantage while we can. Because I'm damn sure that Canada is not "looking after us".Starriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12694825429178649084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-56301275326575030552007-10-22T17:32:00.000-02:302007-10-22T17:32:00.000-02:30"The former federal minister of fisheries and of f..."The former federal minister of fisheries and of finance doesn't know what he's talking about but you do."<BR/><BR/>He's lying.<BR/><BR/>The deal he purportedly negotiated in 1986 (Pat Carney says otherwise) has in clear and no uncertain terms, a set of "offset provisions".<BR/><BR/>They are there in black and white.<BR/><BR/>They are written in plain language. <BR/><BR/>Offset provisions were set in the agreement to allow NL to keep its revenues, shielding them from "clawback", or more accurately, providing additional payments to offset the perceived decline of Equalization entitlements.<BR/><BR/>The federal government not only respected this provision, but they actually sweetened it twice, first by giving NL the 70% generic offset in years that it was better, and secondly by giving NL the ability to choose retroactively which formula or offset to choose.<BR/><BR/>Of course, you people are too stupid to actually read anything. So is John Crosbie.<BR/><BR/>And if you don't believe this, check the second paragraph of the document that Danny Williams signed in 2005. It recognizes, under his signature that the federal government lived up to this, and that NL had always received 100% of its royalties. Again don't believe me. Maybe I'm just a former public servant who had to write the damn thing, or maybe I'm an economist who wrote a thesis on it, or maybe I'm a provincial government employee, or maybe I'm a bum on the street. It really doesn't matter who or what I am. Just read the darn agreements for yourself.<BR/><BR/>John Crosbie's revisionist history, as a means of trying to preserve his "legacy" is laughable. Next thing he'll be calling himself a cod conservationist. Sheesh. <BR/><BR/>Go to the 1986 Accord and find the offset provision. It's all there. <BR/><BR/>Of course, wasn't John Crosbie the guy telling us all to vote for Stephen Harper in 2004 and 2006?<BR/><BR/>Crosbie is further up Harper's ass than Loyola is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-20625631376799845282007-10-22T10:50:00.000-02:302007-10-22T10:50:00.000-02:30First NL and NSThen SaskatchewanNow the North West...First NL and NS<BR/><BR/>Then Saskatchewan<BR/><BR/>Now the North West Territories.<BR/><BR/>It looks like a coalition of the willing (except for Rodney Mac) are lining up to take a bite out of Harper.<BR/><BR/>YELLOWKNIFE -- Another premier may be going to Ottawa with boxing gloves on.<BR/><BR/>Floyd Roland, 46, the newly chosen leader of the Northwest Territories, says it's time the federal government took seriously the North's desire to control and benefit from its own resources.<BR/><BR/>"I believe we do need to take a stronger approach as we see development happening in the Northwest Territories," he said yesterday after being chosen. "And I really believe that northerners need to benefit from the development of the resources here in the North."<BR/><BR/>In his first statement after the vote, Mr. Roland said a prime goal of his government will be to win province-like powers over the territory's natural resources - currently managed by Ottawa, which also collects the royalties. He said he'll take some inspiration from the no-prisoners style of Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-68649418499110720682007-10-21T21:12:00.000-02:302007-10-21T21:12:00.000-02:30"Is the future of NL one of prosperity and self-re..."Is the future of NL one of prosperity and self-reliance achievable within Canada today or not?"<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to say Myles that you have done alot better.Not to say that the article is bad it's just the topic.And,I would like to state that it's a pretty shabby topic for the Independant to be writting about as well!!!<BR/><BR/>Really,if you have to look at the first question stated by Mr Crosbie.Please,for the ill-informed.Canada hasn't kept a promise since they broke Term 29!!!<BR/><BR/>To hear Mr Crosbie say such non-sence only makes him look like an idiot ,I'm sorry.But,what has canda done but take,take,and take somemore.For people to sit back and say that canada has done anything for Newfoundland and Labrador really doesn't kow what they are talking about.End of story!!!Ussrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468652036222401731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-71649438124443274182007-10-21T20:32:00.000-02:302007-10-21T20:32:00.000-02:30I guess you're right senile. The former federal m...I guess you're right senile. The former federal minister of fisheries and of finance doesn't know what he's talking about but you do. What are your credentials by the way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-23465822771256535332007-10-21T18:07:00.000-02:302007-10-21T18:07:00.000-02:3080 cents do not get clawed back on the dollar. Off...80 cents do not get clawed back on the dollar. Offshore royalties in NL and NS are treated MORE favourably than any other resource revenues in ANY other province.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-14275759831111909522007-10-21T13:14:00.000-02:302007-10-21T13:14:00.000-02:30Could it be because clawing back 80 cents on the d...Could it be because clawing back 80 cents on the dollar through equalization means that the province is really only seeing 20% of the value of the offshore entering the province? If there was no offshore at all we would still see 80% of what we are getting now.<BR/><BR/>I'd prefer to listen to one of the people who helped negotiate the atlantic accord than some anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-1255940248669276602007-10-21T11:49:00.000-02:302007-10-21T11:49:00.000-02:30How the hell is Canada the principal beneficiary o...How the hell is Canada the principal beneficiary of Newfoundland's offshore oil industry? How?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com