tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post8537252921753693243..comments2023-09-12T12:07:08.126-02:30Comments on Web Talk - Newfoundland and Labrador: Equalization - A Made in Ontario SolutionPatriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-25644701670826228122008-05-12T09:52:00.000-02:302008-05-12T09:52:00.000-02:30I concur with you Patriot.It is a defeatist attitu...I concur with you Patriot.<BR/><BR/>It is a defeatist attitude. It would be no different for any party, if one of its adherents or politicians gave up and left the province, would you expect to see everyone throw down the gauntlet and let the party?<BR/><BR/>The opinion to which you are responding Patriot is the most defeatist statement that I have ever heard.<BR/><BR/>People leave political parties all the time, and if everyone else left and abandoned the party because of some inept reason, there would be no political parties. Now in the meantime it might not be a bad idea if there were some other method of government, over the Conservatives and Liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-52866283529622512402008-05-12T09:44:00.000-02:302008-05-12T09:44:00.000-02:30Allow me to comment on the media once again. If th...Allow me to comment on the media once again. If the media is going to be completely ignorant toward the truth then perhaps it is time for our artists and performers to speak up on issues. Surely God their is at least one of them who holds similar views as those expressed on this site. To quote Alexander Pushkin, "A poet is much more than a poet." To paraphrase Alexander Solzhenitsyn, a good writer is as powerful as a second government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-91595971507494652832008-05-11T15:20:00.000-02:302008-05-11T15:20:00.000-02:30To Anon 2:56,Although, as I expressed to you earli...To Anon 2:56,<BR/><BR/>Although, as I expressed to you earlier, I still don't see the connection between supporting a party (or not) simply because one of its former leaders has left, or is planning to leave the province, but since you feel it is important I've posted your comment as requested.<BR/><BR/>I find your position a bit defeatist to be honest. Just because one individual decides to leave NL, for whatever reason he may have, is that a reason for everyone to throw up their hands and give up?<BR/><BR/>I'm sure if you looked at the former leaders of the Liberal, PC or NDP parties you would find many other examples of party leaders who have done the same.<BR/><BR/>You seem to be saying that since the former leader of NL-First is leaving there is no reason to continue or to stand up for NL in other ways. Very confusing concept.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-26632297881494752762008-05-11T14:56:00.000-02:302008-05-11T14:56:00.000-02:30To Patriot, Fred Wilcox himself posted the informa...To Patriot, Fred Wilcox himself posted the information so it's hardly "supposed" evidence.<BR/><BR/>The "current importance" is that, if the founder of the party quits it, and is planning to leave the province entirely, why should anyone else support NL-first? So much for the cause, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-53649864068527793372008-05-10T10:53:00.000-02:302008-05-10T10:53:00.000-02:30To: Anon of May 09, 2008 10:05 PM.Thanks for bei...To: Anon of May 09, 2008 10:05 PM.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for being helpful! One day we will Overcome and justice will prevail, albeit it will be more than 500 years late!<BR/><BR/>We need more voices like your Anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-15240134309091429302008-05-10T08:58:00.000-02:302008-05-10T08:58:00.000-02:30To the Anon who sent me some supposed evidence abo...To the Anon who sent me some supposed evidence about a specific political figure. I didn't post any of what you said because it has no current importance. The political figure you spoke of left the party years ago, as political leaders do with all parties. No scandal, nothing new under the sun, no importance.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-90375286501287892792008-05-10T01:24:00.000-02:302008-05-10T01:24:00.000-02:30Here is where Fred Wilcox discusses his resignatio...Here is where Fred Wilcox discusses his resignation from NL-first<BR/><BR/>http://virginwaters.blogspot.com/2007/11/nlfirst-3rd-anniversary.html<BR/><BR/>Where is where he mentions his impending out migration:<BR/><BR/>http://virginwaters.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-adventure.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-51824847526573891752008-05-09T22:05:00.000-02:302008-05-09T22:05:00.000-02:30May 08, 2008 7:07 PM,I try to be helpfull whenever...May 08, 2008 7:07 PM,I try to be helpfull whenever I can :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-77601142592311969112008-05-09T12:30:00.000-02:302008-05-09T12:30:00.000-02:30Thank you anon. for the detailed response on the l...Thank you anon. for the detailed response on the local media not reporting the absolute truth. I guess until grassroots, independent media like this site reach the majority of the population nothing will change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-85986389062962264392008-05-08T19:07:00.000-02:302008-05-08T19:07:00.000-02:30Thanks Anon of May 08, 2008 3:51 PMYOU DID IT FOR ...Thanks Anon of May 08, 2008 3:51 PM<BR/><BR/>YOU DID IT FOR ME!<BR/><BR/>Afterall Anon I was talking about the News Media. Thanks anyway for stepping in with a better example overhaul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-73879893244438439532008-05-08T15:57:00.000-02:302008-05-08T15:57:00.000-02:30Pardon me Patriot ,I know I should have given a UR...Pardon me Patriot ,I know I should have given a URL to back up my claim .I don't want all thease people thinking that I'm just "Barking " right.<BR/><BR/>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5630/is_200612/ai_n23646403<BR/><BR/>and ,there we go.This is really hard to chew on. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-27427109274246955502008-05-08T15:51:00.000-02:302008-05-08T15:51:00.000-02:30May 08, 2008 1:46 PM ,well anon ,I would think tha...May 08, 2008 1:46 PM ,well anon ,I would think that you would have used a far better excample of Canada's "Plundering Nature."<BR/><BR/>(ie,)what province is getting another re-finery." ONTARIO.Yes ,Sarnia Ontario is getting a refinery to refine Newfoundland and Labrador crude.Now how sweet of a deal is that.Over1,200 jobs created for Ontario by Newfoundland and Labrador ,all paying over 20.00 bucks an hour.<BR/><BR/>My stupid question is this.How is this going to help Ontario's ailing housing market.How is this going to help Ontario's car industry.How is this going to help Ontario's provincail governement regarding "TAXES".<BR/><BR/>See Patriot ,unlike what is mostly written on your Blog ,I too can ask stupid questions ,and point out falsehoods as well. <BR/><BR/>Thease Canadain Federal type's just crack me up.As long as we continue to say " YIP B'ye ,Yip B'ye " they love us.As soon as we speak the truth and point out the obvoise they hate us for it.Gee, aren't we happy to be apart of Canada . ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-88783567989639201182008-05-08T13:46:00.000-02:302008-05-08T13:46:00.000-02:30With the 'have" status for the province of Newfoun...With the 'have" status for the province of Newfoundland and Labrador comes the IRONY of having one of the provinces of Canada with absolutely no industry and inadequate infrastructure. That in itself tells the story of neglect and abuse by Canada of our resources. How come nobody noticed what was going on?<BR/><BR/>I see the News Media as having had the perfect pulpit to have espoused the views of which many Newfoundlanders and Labradorians held and to have told the world what happened to Newfoundland and Labrador to be so poor in economy and infrastructure.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes, while the Local News Media, no doubt, hold the same views on things as do Myles and his commentators, but because, you see, if they speak up they will be jeopardizing their chances of getting to go on excursions to far off places accompanying politicians on some of their jaunts. The desirable out of province trips is a 'patronage' tool that both levels of governments hold in their patronage tool kit which keeps the news media in their respectful place. If they don't talk about the ills of the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, then they will be in the good graces of governments and will be rewarded.<BR/><BR/>And many of the media people in this province are either tied up in some political sphere of politics or once were or are looking for cushy political appointments, so they have to espouse the view points of the Media Bureau for which are they working, that is if they want to get ahead themselves. I will add not all of them, but most of them are suffering from the "me syndrome".<BR/><BR/>To recap: to speak the truth will probably extinguish the chance of the News Reporters getting political appointments, trips from governments to accompany politicians to some far off place in the world which saves them the cost of an exotic vacation, and as in the case of the News Media Bureau, itself, for whom the News Reporters work, a loss of government advertising monies if their employees tell the truth of what really goes on.<BR/><BR/>But yes The Newfoundland and Labrador News Media did a lot of damage in the past by concealing what they knew and not expounding on it; and now that they know that the ordinary person in the electorate is aware, by not commenting on the evils which went on and which caused so much chaos in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, and by not reporting on the truth of what is happening, they are committing more atrocities on the province.<BR/><BR/>The Local and National News Media were complicit with both levels of government in causing a province like the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, which was endowed with such a great geographic location and a great endowment of natural resources to be the poorest in the country. <BR/><BR/>A Sample of what I am talking about: I will never forget the lobbyists in the form of columnists from the National News Media who lobbied away the Voisey's Bay Nickel Resource to keep smelters in Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba percolating. That is one of the types of abuse that I am talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-57727879163561740322008-05-08T12:44:00.000-02:302008-05-08T12:44:00.000-02:30To DB, I realize you are being sarcastic when you ...To DB, I realize you are being sarcastic when you say, "way to go" but I'll take it as a compliment none the less.<BR/><BR/>yes, the solution would likely put NL back on equalization but what of it? This place has been raped and plundered since 1949 and if the solution to Ontario's problem means NL can access additional revenues (that we all pay for, including me) then go for it. <BR/><BR/>Those additional funds could help speed up the process of getting out of debt, re-building neglected infrastructure, diversifying the economy and preparing for the time when the oil is gone.<BR/><BR/>Doesn't sound all bad to me.<BR/><BR/>I personally don't have any problem with it.<BR/><BR/>If we are going to remain a part of Canada then why not use every tool at our disposal to ensure a good future for the people here and why not take every possible advantage it can offer. Lord knows every advantage has been taken of NL.Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-63751825085298729982008-05-08T10:27:00.000-02:302008-05-08T10:27:00.000-02:30Why are the views that are so well expressed on th...Why are the views that are so well expressed on this site not finding their way into the provincial media? It is not getting out to the people. Radio, tv and newsprint are not expressing these views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-35956998740695341112008-05-08T07:53:00.000-02:302008-05-08T07:53:00.000-02:30Hey Myles, Greast post.Your solution is to get Ne...Hey Myles, Greast post.<BR/><BR/>Your solution is to get Newfoundland back on on Equalization. Way to go, there buddy.Anthony Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12855713340494176746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-77672478583504030152008-05-08T07:39:00.000-02:302008-05-08T07:39:00.000-02:30Someone publishing under anonymous left a post tha...Someone publishing under anonymous left a post that makes a specific accusation about a public figure.<BR/><BR/>I have not posted it but it is being held. I will not post it until that person provides evidence to back up their accusation.<BR/><BR/>If they are correct I'll post it but only when if they can provide that evidence.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>MylesPatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-16604055057385370922008-05-07T16:04:00.000-02:302008-05-07T16:04:00.000-02:30May 07, 2008 12:22 AMHere ,Here .This is what we n...May 07, 2008 12:22 AM<BR/><BR/>Here ,Here .This is what we need Myles.We need enough noise coming from all across the Province (and,I use the word province ,regrettably ) to make the hairs on the back of thier necks stand up.<BR/>To make them relise that we as a nation will no longer tolerate thier ignorance and thier lack of respect for our culture and our way of life.<BR/><BR/>In a way I see why Prime Minister Williams said what he did.To taunt Ontario and make them relise how truely insignifagant they are without the rest of the so called federation backing them.<BR/><BR/>Alot of Newfoundlander's and Labradorian's are truely sick of this.The rest of canada does not relise how much we really give to this federation.What other province ,per ratio of people, give half as much as we do.<BR/><BR/>Its not time to stop responding to thease comments,its time to start ripping down the propaganda machine that starts thease lie's.Its time for us to stand up and be counted.Then maybe they will relise who and what we are.And,that we are simply not going to take thier dirty end of the whip anymore.<BR/><BR/>CALLING ALL NEWFOUNDLANDER"S AND LABRADORIAN"S ,ITS TIME TO STAND UP !!! VOTE WWW.NLFIRST.CAUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194133904299053177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-34853256339791831542008-05-07T01:58:00.000-02:302008-05-07T01:58:00.000-02:30And don't let them win, by not posting messages th...And don't let them win, by not posting messages that disagree or which point out errors, hey Miles?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-84689386833485982322008-05-07T00:22:00.000-02:302008-05-07T00:22:00.000-02:30Patriot You asked a favour of your blog viewers. ...Patriot <BR/><BR/>You asked a favour of your blog viewers. You wrote "please don't spend your energy and time on responding to Mark's comments". <BR/><BR/>Patriot, I will not obey your plea. That is what we did in the past and we lost everything in this province as a result of ignoring things that we should not have ignored.<BR/><BR/>Had we asked a few stupid questions in the past, the mistakes that destroyed this province could have been averted.<BR/><BR/>For instance had we asked our politicians why they were overseeing the exporting of our raw natural resources, we might not have lost the Upper Churchill Hydro Electric power to Quebec or the Nickel Ore to Ontario and Manitoba. We might have a different arrangement with the 'fish quotas" which are traded away by Ottawa and all the other raw resources which were shipped out of our beautiful province, any of which could have provided vibrant economies in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador and the much needed jobs that could have kept our population at home.<BR/><BR/>We kept our mouths shut on too many issues that mattered which were going on around us, in other words we were were too complacent. <BR/><BR/>Complacency is no different than being careless or lazy. That is what got us a non-economy in the first place.<BR/><BR/>The people of our province were told by Canadians that they were welfare queens and pogey abusers, but what options did the people of our province have, since all of their resources were exported out of here for the benefit of creating economies in the provinces which ended up receiving our raw resources, and those same people coveted and demanded our resources. And not once did those name callers acknowledge that we were exporting our resources to their neck of the woods for their benefit. Not a word was uttered by Canadians on why the province of Newfoundland and Labrador had to accept equalization. They stripped the province of its resources and abused us with insults. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Had we asked a few stupid questions over the years and demanded answers, no doubt, we would have faired much better. We must ask questions in the future.<BR/><BR/>We elected our politicians and we immediately put them on 'auto pilot' and as a result they became complacent and also lazy, and that is the reason they were not mindful of our resources and neither did they fight for this province's fair share of Federal infrastructure which was handed out by Ottawa. <BR/><BR/>The politicians knew that the electorate never put any demands on them or sought any answers and they just became indolent and as a result ran this province to the ground. But, of course, they never forgot their own interests. Most of our politicians are the richest citizens of the land.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Patriot you said "don't let them win by falling for it".<BR/><BR/>Patriot I say we are letting them win if we do not fall for it. They want to shut us up and keep the status quo. The overlords would rather have the complacent Newfoundlanders and Labradorians of the past than the observant people whom we are shaping up to be for the future. Everyone who benefitted from that genetic disorder we suffered from in the past are sore about it and they are letting us know. Why are they pitting us against Ontario in the National Media. I heard one Journalist last week ask Premier Williams the question on whether he was willing to give up some of our provinces Oil Royalties, now that we are going into "Have" status,to keep Ontario's economy going? They are always trying to belittle us and I am sick of it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Please keep up the great work Patriot and again Long May Your Great Blog Roll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-31557372692565185742008-05-06T22:23:00.000-02:302008-05-06T22:23:00.000-02:30Hi all,If I can ask a favour, please don't spend y...Hi all,<BR/><BR/>If I can ask a favour, please don't spend your energy and time on responding to Mark's comment. <BR/><BR/>The fact that you are is probably more my fault than your own since I inadvertantly encouraged it by my posting of it and in responding. That aside, the issues facing us, Ontario and Canada as a whole, are far more important.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if it was Mark's intention, and I wouldn't want to speak for him, but generally when someone visits Web Talk and spouts that kind of BS it's because they want to "change the channel". In other words they want to side track the discussion.<BR/><BR/>Don't let them win by falling for it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>MylesPatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364831921954903098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-83062035411281390182008-05-06T22:13:00.000-02:302008-05-06T22:13:00.000-02:30really - why should any of us give a tinker's toss...really - why should any of us give a tinker's toss about whether ontario receives equalization? its like worrying about which of your neigbours are getting ei at any given time. who cares? how does it help YOU?<BR/><BR/>most of the time, there are only two provinces (ontario and alberta) that don't.<BR/><BR/>and let's stop using that language of "on equalization" and "getting off equalization". it sounds too much like being "on the dole" and "getting off the dole" - and it's meant to.<BR/><BR/>let's just stop talking about and using up valuable mental energy on this ONE federal program that 80% of provinces avail of at any given time.<BR/><BR/>sheesh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-7106599700971399372008-05-06T20:50:00.000-02:302008-05-06T20:50:00.000-02:30Mark spewed his fallacies and ran so I have a few ...Mark spewed his fallacies and ran so I have a few questions for him. <BR/><BR/>One would have thought that Mark would have tried to back up his statements, but he didn't. As far as I am concerned he has no information to back up what he said.<BR/><BR/>Mark why is Patriot's post the stupidest thing that you have ever read? <BR/><BR/>Mark you told Patriot that EVERY one of his claims about Equalization in his article is factually incorrect, historically inaccurate and make no sense.<BR/><BR/>Mark would you please elaborate and back up with reasons why you made this statement?<BR/><BR/>Mark you said that you would elaborate, but you are now sufficiently convinced that Patriot probably can't read anyway. Well Mark elaborate anyway, please do not leave us in the dark, we will understand what you write even though what you might write could very well be incorrect if you keep with your theme above.<BR/><BR/>Mark, surely you do not believe that Patriot cannot read, what in his post would make you think that? Patriot's post, as far as I am concerned, is very accurate and very well stated.<BR/><BR/>I cannot for a moment understand what you meant with what you wrote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-48621969259159350842008-05-06T18:58:00.000-02:302008-05-06T18:58:00.000-02:30Surely Mark you aren't saying removing oil from th...Surely Mark you aren't saying removing oil from the equation will not change the numbers.<BR/><BR/>It happened years ago. When Ontario came close to going on equalization in the past oil revenues were excluded and then Alberta itself was taken out of the equation. The result was that Ontario rose to the top.<BR/><BR/>Simple mathematics my friend. You may not like the result but it's true and it's true that excluding 100% of non-renewable resource revenues would indeed move Ontario back up the ladder.<BR/><BR/>I don't always agree with the comments on Web Talk myself but facts are facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11333084.post-8988584042878296212008-05-06T15:16:00.000-02:302008-05-06T15:16:00.000-02:30Great article Myles. Keep up the good work!Great article Myles. Keep up the good work!NL-ExPatriatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15938647714308913350noreply@blogger.com