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Saturday, July 22, 2006

Provincial Direction on Lower Churchill Should be Clear

Canada has been living with the potential threat of Quebec separation for decades. If not for the millions of tax dollars that were spent prior to the last referendum (read Gomery) there might already be four North American countries instead of three. Recently the Liberal Premier of Quebec has said his Province has the economic means to become independent. This admission by Jean Charest has confirmed the beliefs of many separatists and has the potential to turn the tide in their favor once and for all.

With the specter of separation becoming more and more plausible, the direction for Newfoundland and Labrador, with regard to Churchill Falls, should be clear. No development should be considered unless it includes use of the so called Anglo Saxon route. This approach would be expensive as it requires undersea cabling from Labrador to the island and from the island to Nova Scotia, but it should to be done regardless.

This option would allow some of the power to be used in parts of Labrador and on the Island, lessening our current dependence on fossil fuels. Consider as well that the alternative, running power through Quebec, would mean Canada and the U.S. could some day end up dependent on the kindness of a third country, namely Quebec, for an important part of their power supply. This would not only pose an economic risk but a national security risk as well.

We all hope that an independent Quebec would continue to work closely with its North American neighbors but there are no guarantees in international politics. Canada, the U.S. and Mexico have built up an atmosphere of understanding and solid trade structures over decades, yet disputes still take place occasionally. Who knows what kind of relationship a newly minted Quebec would have with its neighbors? As an unknown entity it brings with it many risks.

Newfoundland and Labrador would be foolhardy to consider wheeling Lower Churchill power across Quebec in future. In fact it would be in the best interest of potential long term power customers across North America to stand behind the Province and pressure Ottawa for assistance to develop the alternate route. In the long run it’s Canada and the U.S that run the biggest risk from an independent Quebec should trade relationships became frosty.

In addition to the Lower Churchill, serious consideration should be given to impacts on the Upper Churchill agreement. The original, one sided deal, was inked while Hydro Quebec was under the control of a Canadian province. If Quebec becomes an independent nation that contract should be addressed as a part of the “breaking of ties” effort that must surely happen. Not doing so would essentially place the distribution of those massive power reserves in foreign hands and place Canadian interests in the unenviable position of being dependent on little more than international good will.

The road to Quebec sovereignty appears to have been made a little easier lately and I wish them well. I can fully understand where many of those fighting for independence are coming from. The Dominion, as it exists today, is not a place where anyone outside of Ontario is given much respect or understanding. I congratulate Quebecer’s for standing up and being heard as a people.

Newfoundland and Labrador must also stand up and be heard. The Province cannot afford to sit idly by and allow the future to unfold without solid planning and preparation. The reality of an independent Quebec is also a reality where Newfoundland and Labrador is essentially cut off from Canada geographically and is reliant on the whims and wishes of a foreign power to market its resources. This cannot be allowed to happen.

As a side note, it might also be in Newfoundland and Labrador’s best interest to ensure that the ever changing Labrador border, which inexplicably continues to move further and further east on Quebec tourist maps, isn’t taken too seriously by anyone down the road, but I digress.
Let me clearly say that my intention is not to bash Quebec, in fact I envy them the potential for freedom now within their grasp. Everyone already knows how poorly NL has faired on dealing with a Quebec inside the federation I don’t know why anyone would think it will be easier after Quebec celebrates its first independence day?

30 comments:

WJM said...

With the specter of separation becoming more and more plausible, the direction for Newfoundland and Labrador, with regard to Churchill Falls,

"Churchill Falls" was developed over thirty years ago. It's bad enough when journalists from Toronto keep referring to other Labrador hydro projects as "Churchill Falls", but this level of ignorance, from someone supposedly in the same province, is not acceptable these days.

should be clear. No development should be considered unless it includes use of the so called Anglo Saxon route. This approach would be expensive

No it wouldn't, because it would make the power from Labrador so expensive in the marketplace, that neither the power, nor the "Anglo Saxon route", would ever be built.

as it requires undersea cabling from Labrador to the island and from the island

What island?

This option would allow some of the power to be used in parts of Labrador

The power can be used in Labrador without the so-called "Anglo Saxon route".

and on the Island,

What island?

power through Quebec, would mean Canada and the U.S. could some day end up dependent on the kindness of a third country, namely Quebec

If the US was already dependent, albeit in very small measure, on power from a foreign country (Canada), what difference would it make that it's transmitted through Quebec?

Who knows what kind of relationship a newly minted Quebec would have with its neighbors? As an unknown entity it brings with it many risks.

Could the same not also be said for your beloved independent Newfoundland?

In fact it would be in the best interest of potential long term power customers across North America to stand behind the Province and pressure Ottawa

Why does Ottawa need to be involved? If it's economically sensible to do it -- and it's not -- what would Ottawa need to do?

for assistance to develop the alternate route.

Yes, so that Newfoundland nationalists will have something new to bitch about: how Ottawa subsidized the export of "raw electricity".

(You know, Newfoundland attitudes towards Labrador hydro reminds me of that bumper sticker in the US: "How'd all our oil get under their sand?"

As a side note, it might also be in Newfoundland and Labrador’s best interest to ensure that the ever changing Labrador border,

"ever changing"?

When did the border last change?

which inexplicably continues to move further and further east on Quebec tourist maps,

East?

So what? None of that has any bearing on the constitutional entrenchment of the Labrador border. Only nationalist Newfoundlanders, ignorant of the law, who are equally as paranoid and delusional as the Quebecers who think they have any claim to Labrador, would think so.

Everyone already knows how poorly NL has faired on dealing with a Quebec inside the federation

If Newfoundland didn't give away everything in Labrador it couldn't steal for itself, you might have sympathy from this quarter.

But Newfoundland's attitude towards Labrador is far worse than any supposed grievance Newfoundland has with Quebec, Canada, or anyone else...

Starrigan said...

Oh my GOD, someone please block this knob!!!!!

WJM said...

Starrigan, what's especially knobbish -- other than the fact that it questions your mythology and you disagree with it -- about anything I've written?

Is "someone please block this knob!!!!!" the best you can reply with? If so, it may be you who requires the "block", if you're not going to exercise prior restraint.

Crazy American said...

Steve here,

WJM, At the risk of being as trivial, aren’t your comments about what island more correctly put as “which” island? Since you seem unable to distinguish between important issues and exercising a critique of clear sentence construction I thought the question was just as pertinent.

Now to the real issues raised in your comments.

If correctly understood, you imply that Labrador and Newfoundland are two separate political entities. While there are many legitimate parallels which can be made in looking at Newfoundland being treated as a colony of Canada and Labrador being treated as a colony of Newfoundland, the fact is at present that the two portions are politically joined.

I say imply because of the final comments in your post regarding stealing from Labrador.
Simply put, you can’t steal from yourself, any more than a single political entity can say it’s stealing from itself. Decrying a goverments misallocation of resources is surely an effective crique. Failure to allow for effective local control of resources is undoubtedly a legitimate point of view. But, the very things you rail about with regards to hyperbole of others clearly should also apply to your comments.

I also question your comment about the economic viability of an alternate route over the island of Newfoundland through Nova Scotia. Why? Because frankly it may well be that the route may be more economic in the longer term. The economic viability may largely depend on timeframe. If you are looking at a 5 year return on investment, I would agree. If you are looking at a 30 year investment, I respectfully disagree, and can point to at least one real world parallel

Looking at this list of negatives to a route over Newfoundland would be the distance, between Newfoundland and the Labrador coastline, and between Newfoundland and the Nova Scotia coastline. Once the area of the Canso Causeway is reached in Nova Scotia, the additional cost from that point would be more in line with extensions of existing infrastructure, which appears to be already limiting group in both Newfoundland and in Nova Scotia.

Real and potential positives. Real positive in opening up more of Labrador and Newfoundland to a ready supply of electricity off a provincial grid which does not currently exist. Additional positive is effectively reducing the cost of wind power transmission from the southwestern portion of Newfoundland as well as the same kind of generation from Labrador itself.

I cannot point to a single document which makes this an economic no brainer, the real world example which seems to me to greatly parallel the common problem and issue of building an electrical infrastructure and then seeing economic growth follow is the Tennessee Valley Authority in the U.S. I suggest people take a little time to look at it’s history including the political discussions which preceded it’s inception. Those discussions included many critics who believe that it would never be an economic benefit. While it certainly has not created heaven on earth, in the 70 years since it was initiated, that area of the country has clearly benefited with both industry and rural electrification.

WJM said...

If correctly understood, you imply that Labrador and Newfoundland are two separate political entities.

No, if INcorrectly understood.

While there are many legitimate parallels which can be made in looking at Newfoundland being treated as a colony of Canada and Labrador being treated as a colony of Newfoundland, the fact is at present that the two portions are politically joined.

And?

I say imply because of the final comments in your post regarding stealing from Labrador.
Simply put, you can’t steal from yourself, any more than a single political entity can say it’s stealing from itself.


One part of it can steal from another part. When Newfoundlanders take Labrador resources, and sell them, or use them for their own, without pumping anything back into Labrador, and in fact, all the while calling on the federal government to spend money in Labrador in areas of provincial jurisdiction, for no other reason than that's what's always done in Labrador, that, my crazy friend, is theft, pure and simple.

By your logic, nationalist Newfoundlanders are wrong to bitch about Quebec getting anything out of the so-called Upper Churchill: Canada can't steal from itself.

I also question your comment about the economic viability of an alternate route over the island of Newfoundland through Nova Scotia. Why? Because frankly it may well be that the route may be more economic in the longer term. The economic viability may largely depend on timeframe. If you are looking at a 5 year return on investment, I would agree. If you are looking at a 30 year investment, I respectfully disagree, and can point to at least one real world parallel

Which?

Looking at this list of negatives to a route over Newfoundland would be the distance, between Newfoundland and the Labrador coastline, and between Newfoundland and the Nova Scotia coastline.

And across Labrador to the Strait of Belle Isle crossing, in whatever form. And across Newfoundland and under the Cabot Strait.

Hydro-Quebec made numerous attempts to put power lines under the St Lawrence River. They all failed, and that's over a shorter and shallower distance than the "Anglo-Saxon route".

Really, why price your power out of contention? And why pump so much of the economic rent of the project into a vanity power line just to spite Quebec?

Additional positive is effectively reducing the cost of wind power transmission from the southwestern portion of Newfoundland as well as the same kind of generation from Labrador itself.

Which you're not allowed to do in Labrador unless you're the government. However, private wind companies are sprouting all over Newfoundland. Why's that, I wonder?

the Tennessee Valley Authority in the U.S. I suggest people take a little time to look at it’s history including the political discussions which preceded it’s inception.

Actually, Hydro-Quebec, and the history of hydro in Ontario/Upstate New York, are also useful examples.

Those discussions included many critics who believe that it would never be an economic benefit. While it certainly has not created heaven on earth, in the 70 years since it was initiated, that area of the country has clearly benefited with both industry and rural electrification.

All of NL has already been rurally electrified.

Table Mountains said...

the anglo saxon route would be the best option.we know where your loyalties are wjm.

here,let me ask your question beforehand...(what loyalties?)

WJM said...

the anglo saxon route would be the best option.

"Best" as measured how?

we know where your loyalties are wjm.

With Labrador. Why does Labrador need an Anglo-Saxon route? It would price our power out of contention, for no reason other than Newfoundland nationalist vanity, chauvinism, and spite.

But of course, with the guy currently in charge of the province, it's no wonder people are thinking Anglo-Saxon route again. Anything to drive away investment, and weight responsible development down with lead pipe-dreams, vanity, and "fighting Newfoundlander" baggage.

Blashy said...

What wjm forgets is that Labrador is apart of the province, hence if Labrador does well the province as a whole prospers and vice versa.
Good post Patriot.

Brian said...

Hey blashy,
Take a look at this July 24 post at
http://nl-outsidethebox.blogspot.com/ a less parochial NL'er [sometimes :-}]
Then take some time to live on the coast for a bit, see who's who in the "prospers and visa versa" myth then.

WJM said...

What wjm forgets is that Labrador is apart of the province, hence if Labrador does well the province as a whole prospers and vice versa.

It's NEWFOUNDLANDERS who forget that: When Labrador does well, the whole province benefits; when Newfoundland does well, Newfoundland still pawns of responsibility for building infrastructure and providing services in Labrador to the federal government.

To the nationalist Newfoundlander, what's theirs is theirs, and what's mine is also theirs. Classic economic colonialism. Oh, the irony.

What has Labrador gotten out of Hibernia or Terra Nova lately?

NL-ExPatriate said...

Ontario didn't pay for the Saint Lawrence SeaWay, or TCH, or CNR, or all of the bridges and infrastructure that allows it to travel and trade so freely and easily with the US. Were talking about the National Highway System not unlike the road to the NWT.
PEI didn't pay for the Confederation bridge.

Stop trying to slander the NL government by saying they are responsible for the building of national infrastructure.

Great post Patriot. I totally agree if the proince as a whole is to benefit from this project it needs to take the Anglo Saxon route. PEI, NS, and NB need t ocome on side with this route proposal as well IMHO.
PEI buys it's power from NB NB generates it's power from Coal and Nuclear and Cape Breton utilizes off hour peak rates to try and manage their inefficiencies with power.

Coast Labrador should insist on this route to ensure they have access to this new source of cheap clean energy and get of the Diesel generators. Plus Labradorians have the most to lose and should also be the ones to gain the most from this project because they will lose some of their traditional trapping grounds due to flooding.

Fish Ladders should also have to be incorporated into any damming to preserve the fish habitat. Maybe even increase fish habitat because fish might be unable to travese the muskrat falls now?

WJM said...

Stop trying to slander the NL government by saying they are responsible for the building of national infrastructure.

The NL government is responsible for the building of provincial infrastructure.

The NHS is only a series of provincial highways. They are NOT 100% federally funded. No highway is, although the TLH comes close: 90% of the money to date has been federal. It's the cheap colonialist bastards in Newfoundland who won't cough up to build highways in Labrador.

Anonymous said...

Quebec can't be trusted to deal fairly, neither can Canada for that matter!

WJM said...

Nor then can Nefoundland. When has Newfoundland ever dealt fairly with Labrador?

Patriot said...

Thanks for the compliment WJM. I take it my article must have been effective. To use your own words from a past comment (paraphrasing) "When I get a strong reaction I know I'm on the right track."

The volume of your comments speak for itself.

BNB said...

All of the WJM rhetoric aside, it is interested that you note that the "Premier of Quebec has said his Province has the economic means to become independent." Imagine a statement like that from Newfoundland and Labrador. This goes back to your call for an official accounting of N&L as evidence if we too could make it on our own.

I don't want to open the can of worms that we can or can't - just a bold statement from Quebec that could be a lesson for us.

Starrigan said...

I agree that the statement by the premier of Quebec is rather interesting. But I don't think we can learn a lesson from that kind of statement. People in central Canada will of course be concerned because Quebec has a great deal of political clout. N&L making that sort of statement would have no effect, in fact I would think the majority of the population of Canada would call us ungrateful and ask us to leave.

Patriot said...

I agree with you BNB that most people in NL would agree that we are a distinct culture but I'll even go one step beyond that. The Royal Commission on our place in Canada reported that over 70% of Canadians in general also believe we are a distinct culture. I guess Wally will have an issue with that as well but so is the life if wally. Lately everyone on the blog has been giving him far more attention than he deserves. An original and constructive thought from the guy wouldn't hurt once in a while

WJM said...

I agree with you BNB that most people in NL would agree that we are a distinct culture but I'll even go one step beyond that. The Royal Commission on our place in Canada reported that over 70% of Canadians in general also believe we are a distinct culture.

Why wouldn't they? Of course Newfoundland has a distinct culture. Several of them.

But Newfoundland nationalist-chauvinists seem to think that Newfoundland, and Newfoundland alone, has "culture"... whatever culture is.

What is "culture" anyway?

An original and constructive thought from the guy wouldn't hurt once in a while

I'm all originality and construction, my friend. You choose not to see. Too bad for you.

Anonymous I said...

Patriot I am not quite sure of how to acquire your email address, so I will ask you a question on your blog.

I would like to see you write a blog on the Voisey's Bay Strike. I am wondering, if what the strikers from Voisey's Bay are saying, that their counterparts in Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba are making up to $30,000.00 more per year for equivalent work is factual?

How can this injustice exist when the same Corporation is involved, and Voisey's Bay, Labrador is giving up 30 years of its nickel ore so that two cites can survive, one in Ontario and one in Manitoba each get to live another 15 years from the nickel ore of Voisey's Bay. This is an injustice if I have heard of one. Patriot, is it possible that you could address this situation through your blog?

NL-ExPatriate said...

Brian who lives in Nain NL and has an ear to the ground has blogged a bit on the Voisey's bay debacle. He doesn't write large blogs mainly excerpts and such but he is close to the issue.

http://torngats.blogspot.com/

There were also some very poignant commentary on VOCM's question of the day yesterday.
"Do you think strikes should be allowed at major projects like Voisey's Bay (?) "
http://www.vocm.com/survey.asp?archivedid=401

Patriot said...

To anon 1: Good questions. I see our old friend NL-Expatriate has responded to some degree. I have to be honest with you by saying that I'm currently on vacation and travelling around the Province (yes WJM, I will visit Labrador). As a result though I haven't been keeping up on any of the events in the news. I figure that since I'm surrounded by the issues 24/7 for most of hte year I should take a couple of weeks and just travel around enjoying the place.

In the mean time I'm sure others on the blog can help you out with plenty if well informed information.

Myles (by the way, my direct email is higginsmyles@yahoo.ca

Anonymous I said...

To Nl. Expatriate Thank You for your response, it was kind of you.

To Patriot also Thank You and please have a leisurely and an enjoyable vacation. You deserve it after all the information you provide us with through writings on your blog. Thank You! Please enjoy our beautiful Labrador and Newfoundland. There is no scenery in the world any better and for sure there are no people any better. We have it all. Now what we have to do is put it all in order; and God Willing, we will do that with time, and then our people will be on par with the rest of Canadians. Hopefully we will have no more out-migration and the people from this province will be able to work with their resources right here in Labrador and Newfoundland and they will receive wages that are comparable with the wages in other parts of Canada.

WJM said...

How can this injustice exist when the same Corporation is involved, and Voisey's Bay, Labrador is giving up 30 years of its nickel ore

Where do you get the figure "30 years" from?

WJM said...

(yes WJM, I will visit Labrador)

Be sure to visit Point Amour and see where Frank Moores wasted millions on a "tunnel". Check out the pulpwood being loaded for Newfoundland on the docks at Port Hope Simpson, Cartwright, and Goose Bay. Plug in your razor in a coastal Labrador community and charge it up with expensive diesel power, while Danny Williams' Provincialist Communists won't allow the private sector to develop wind energy in Labrador. (It's permitted in Newfoundland.) Check out the crab fishery in Mary's Harbour or St. Lewis, while you can; trawlers from Newfoundland have ravaged the crab stocks just off shore. Drop into Labrador City/Wabush for a cup of coffee, and consider that even though they have just 1.9% of the population, Western Labrador pays 3.4% of the provincial income tax, a good chunk of sales and other taxes, and until Voisey's Bay came along, most of the mining royalties... and yet Danny Williams still won't put any money into the local highway unless Ottawa does, too.

This is life in the "integral part of the province" that is Labrador.

Anonymous I said...

It appears that Ottawa has hired a SPY to peruse the blogs and counteract everything being said that is the truth. After all the problems that have been created in this province, because of the lack of economies created from this provinces own resources. This, as a result of every one of NL resources having been allotted out, the way Ottawa directed them to be allotted in the first place, to accommodate the wishes of Quebec and Ontario, for those provinces' manufacturing industries' voracious appetites. Of course, Ottawa directed the National Newspaper, like the Globe and Mail and National Post columnists to write nasty columns about us to break us down. Then after the evil deeds were done with the giveaway of Newfoundland and Labrador's resources, and we try again to speak out on the evils that happened, after we had first pressured both levels of government to do what was right before the giveaways, Ottawa SICS WJM on us to dispute everything.

Not that we didn't try to dispute anything before the resources were given away. Our reactions to what was going on during negotiations under blackouts are well documented on the Open Line shows in this province. It didn't matter that we wanted our resources to work so that this province was the primary beneficiary, and we could have started industries, Ottawa , Quebec and Ontario had themeselves in mind for those resources.
I am sure our reactions and our pleadings are still archived in the Open Line show archives. WJM on behalf of Ottawa can't say we didn't try to do anything about it.

Please read Government Watchdog Agency Reports such as Outsourcing and Outmigration, Probe International, Transparency Internationl and Odious debts. If you read these you will learn all about GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION and the smoke and mirrors that Governments spread around; and you will understand how Government need people like WJM and columnists from newspapers like the Globe and Mail and the National Post to do their smoke and mirrors' dirty work for them.

WJM said...

It appears that Ottawa has hired a SPY to peruse the blogs and counteract everything being said that is the truth.

An Enemy of the People! A Counter-Revolutionary! He or she must be identified, sent to the Re-Education University, exiled, or eliminated!

This, as a result of every one of NL resources having been allotted out, the way Ottawa directed them to be allotted in the first place,

Which resources has "Ottawa" directed to be allotted?

Of course, Ottawa directed the National Newspaper, like the Globe and Mail and National Post columnists

Wow. I hope you wear your tinfoil hat when you go on the internet. Otherwise Ottawa will read your thoughts and export them to Hamilton to create jobs there.

Ottawa SICS WJM on us to dispute everything.

I haven't been "sicced" by anyone or anything other than my disdain for the lies, half-truths and omissions of Newfoundland nationalists and their conspiracy-buff fellow-travellers.

Anonymous I said...

It is impossible to inflict the truth on some people, especially when they have been infected with the virus of "in-transparency" by the Government.

The in-transparency tool is the greatest evil tool that Government holds within its grip, and it has worked wonders for the government for as long as government has existed. It has kept the people of Newfoundland and Labrador in a "have-not" status position since we existed here. It is amazing how people will work at evil deeds. But these evil-doers will always be here because they don't care about the most of us, all they care about is the "Me" of us.

When we have people who are willing to do anything for a salary for the "me syndrome" , well then it makes it hard for the masses of us who are under government control.

Anonymous said...

Wally, do you really want our Gov't to build a road from where you live in the Labrador hinterlands to the shores of Belle Isle? A bit uneconomical isn't it if such a road were built to but not under the straits? You want to drive all the way down from where you live to look across the straits to see if you can see the Island? Yes, a bit uneconomical isn't it just to build such a road for 2 or 3 hundred car owners to visit the straits isn't it? Or maybe you just want a road built from where you live to up and down the "Coast of Labrador" so you can drive up and down on it just to sight see? What Wally do you want roads built for? It's by no means economical to build them to the Island you've said repeatedly.....too costly to go under the straits you say. So what Wally do you want roads built for??? Or do you just want to shit disturb that no roads are being built at all which you blame solely on the prov gov't while absolving the feds for not doing their part. If you're going to fling shit why not fling it in both directions? These roads you want? You want them paved with gold too?

You did say you want roads. In which direction do you want them to go Wally? Southwest or Southeast? You retarded federalist thing you.

WJM said...

Wally, do you really want our Gov't to build a road from where you live in the Labrador hinterlands to the shores of Belle Isle?

To the shores of Belle Isle? No. Why build a road to an uninhabited island?

A bit uneconomical isn't it if such a road were built to but not under the straits?

How is it uneconomical? Are the highways that lead to Port aux Basques and North Sydney, on either side of the Cabot Strait, "uneconomical"? If so, rip them up!

You want to drive all the way down from where you live to look across the straits to see if you can see the Island? Yes, a bit uneconomical isn't it just to build such a road for 2 or 3 hundred car owners to visit the straits isn't it?

You might not post such asinine comments if you couldn't do so anonymously.

What Wally do you want roads built for?

For the same reasons they build them everywhere else.

It's by no means economical to build them to the Island you've said repeatedly.....too costly to go under the straits you say.

It's not economical to build a fixed link under or over the Strait of Belle Isle, no. But that's very different from building highways on land.

So what Wally do you want roads built for???

To move people and goods on.

Or do you just want to shit disturb that no roads are being built at all which you blame solely on the prov gov't while absolving the feds for not doing their part.

90 cents of every dollar that has EVER been spent on highways in Labrador, has come from the federal government.

The PROVINCE of Newfoundland and Somethingoranother, my friend, the PROVINCE that sucks hundreds of millions of dollars out of Labrador every year, the PROVINCE of which Labrador supposedly is a part, the PROVINCE are the ones that have not kicked in their fair share.

The feds do not have anything to be absolved of.

The province that Labrador supposedly is a part of, does. Look at what's going on now: Chairman Dan won't spend one red cent of Labrador's own tax dollars on highways in Labrador unless the federal government matches him dollar for dollar.

That's not making Labrador an "integral part of the province", is it? He doesn't make the same demand when it comes to Newfoundland; there are 100-cent provincial dollars being spent on highways in Newfoundland.

Why treat Labrador any differently, especially given the disproportionate contribution Labrador makes to the provincial coffers?

If you're going to fling shit why not fling it in both directions?

Which other direction? The federal government has picked up 90% of the tab for Labrador's highway system so far, and the cheap bastards who run Newfoundland, who suck millions of dollars out of Labrador every month, won't kick in their fair share. There is only one direction for it to be flung: your way.

These roads you want? You want them paved with gold too?

This, my friend, is why I despise Newfoundland nationalists.

Paved with ANYTHING, other than broken promises and empty Newfoundland rhetoric, would be a start.

You did say you want roads. In which direction do you want them to go Wally? Southwest or Southeast?

They already go in both directions, as they should.

You retarded federalist thing you.

Brave words from anonymous slime.