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Thursday, July 20, 2006

Toronto Star Belittles and Slanders All Newfoundlanders

I thought I'd read it all when Margaret Wente put her cockroach level intellect to work slamming Newfoundland a few months back. I hadn't. Now I see that the Shit for brains Ontario mentality has reached a whole new level of crapocrity.

I've been around the block a few times and it takes a lot to piss me off like I'm pissed right now, but I'll tell you one thing, the waste of sperm that calls himself "slammer" wrote an article today that really hit home. I'm sure his intention was to do exactly that, but I hope and pray it backfires and this asshole gets exactly what he wants when he says Canada should cut Newfoundland loose into the Atlantic.

I have reproduced the article below for anyone from the province who is in the mood for an eye opener and I've included the email address of the Toronto Star editorial office if you want to let that rag know what you think:

city@thestar.ca

As for Mr. Slammer, my only question is: With 50 million sperm in the race, how in the hell could you have been the fastest?

Read on and fume:

Newfoundland hits Rock bottom
Jul. 20, 2006. 01:00 AM
Slinger

The only thing that keeps Newfoundland going these days is duelling literary festivals, one on the island's west coast, one on the east coast, but otherwise identical. This distresses the one or two forward-looking citizens in the province who still hold out some hope for The Rock's future.

``How would you folks in Ontario like it,'' they gripe, ``if a couple of broken-down old newspaper hacks from St. John's decided to help you poor, unlettered souls feel like you have some reason to exist by organizing head-to-head festivals celebrating Ontario literature, one in Kenora and one in Carp, and brought along a couple of DJs from our leading oldies 'n' goldies station to emcee the proceedings?''

The implication being that something very similar has been foisted on them thanks to a couple of broken-down old newspaper columnists from Toronto who have chosen to help Newfoundland's poor, unlettered souls feel like they have some reason to exist by organizing head-to-head festivals celebrating Newfoundland literature, one in Woody Point and one in Eastport, and bring along a couple of CBC radio personalities from the mainland to emcee the proceedings.
I wouldn't go that far.

For one thing, the Woody Point festival is dedicated to the proposition that ``I's the by that writes the book, and youse the bys that reads 'er,'' while the Eastport festival theme is ``I's the by that writes the book, and youse the bys that reads 'er.''

The problem facing these literary events is the same as the province faces with all its other resources: Newfoundland is running thin on writers. Festival participants must dash back and forth, and with the famous Bullet no longer operating they are left with no alternative but to hitchhike. Because the festivals are on the same evening, and the traffic is sparse, audiences find themselves waiting as long as three days until the next scheduled author shows up.

Nevertheless, there is no shortage of colourful outport characters happy to fill in by yattering interminably about how things were before the cod disappeared, something tourists find especially charming because every word is unintelligible.

The festivals have compensated for the lack of Newfoundland writers who write in Newfoundland by expanding the criteria for participants to writers who moved to Toronto because they couldn't make a living in Newfoundland, writers who once had relatives in Newfoundland, writers who once holidayed in Newfoundland, and writers who can find Newfoundland on a map, a category that embraces writers from everywhere but Alberta.
The challenge is persuading them to travel down there, either because every word they have written will be unintelligible to local ticket-holders, or, in the case of writers who left Newfoundland for Toronto, because every member of the ``Welcome Home'' committee waiting to greet them at the ferry terminal will be a bailiff.

On the other hand, there is an abundance of appropriate material. Anybody with a word processor can turn out a Newfoundland novel. All you need to do is type, ``Bitter years — the tide kept coming in, and time kept running out,'' and you're off to the races. Since they all start the same, the ``nuance'' they're so admired for depends on how they end, which they eventually do when the writers can't find anybody else to lend them money for rum.

Whether all this means that Newfoundland has finally had it and the Confederation experiment has failed is another matter. From the very start, a lot of Newfoundlanders claimed Joey Smallwood sold them a bill of goods; what's changed is that nowadays pretty well all of us in the rest of Canada are saying, "You ain't the only ones.''

It can't have escaped anyone's notice that Newfoundland has recently gone so far as to add "and Labrador'' to its name, but if it thinks a blatant attempt like that to give itself airs is going to impress any of us sophisticated Torontonians, it is mistaken. We're all familiar with Irving Finkelman who changed his name to Irving St. Clair, C.B.

``Very classy,'' said a friend. ``But what does the C.B. stand for?''

"Corner Bathurst,'' said Irving.

Sadly, it is beginning to look as if the only practical thing for Canada to do is read the writing on the outport wall. Cut our losses. Push Newfoundland back out to sea. Let it drift away. (Obviously we'll keep Labrador; you can never have too many caribou, which Labrador does, but at least it's something.)

NEXT: Farewell to Nova Scotia.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hope one of those illiterate, drunken, criminal "Newfies" he refers too finds this asshole in a local bar, cuts his family jewels out and stuffs them down his throat so the bastard can never reproduce. There are enough assholes like this guy in Ontario already.

BNB said...

Ah Toronto! When it snows they whine for the Army. When they get SARS they bitch until they bring in the Rolling Stones to get people to come back. That kind of charity has never been afforded to N&L. Who's the real charity case here?

Perhaps after we are set adrift Canada can can work on burying that little smoggy armpit. There's enough Sh%$ from this gent to at least do Yonge Street.

Starrigan said...

You know we should really just pass on this kind of ignorance. Don't waste your time and energy putting this kind of article up here. This is one of those moron writers who needs to stir up a little contraversy, get some attention. It's easy!!! Just write some uninformed, insulting bit about Newfoundland and "poof" instant attention. Just ignore it. We know that Torontonians all posses the same attitude, why should we be surprised to see it. Don't play the game, just let it pass on by like the sewage that it is. Let's move on to the steps we need to take to get out of this prison we call Canada.

Patriot said...

I agree with your sentiments on a personal level Sterrigan and I'd love to ignore this ignoramous but as much as he disgusts me he does serve a purpose, as does posting the article.

The purpose is to remind anyone out there from NL who has been getting complacent and starting to think everything is OK that they need to take the blinders off.

We have never been accepted as a full and equal partner in Canada and the racist attitudes shown in this article are just a reminder of that.

It's something we all need to see in cold black and white sometimes to ensure that we don't sit back and let it continue happen to us.

no longer proud said...

Meritless drivel from a typical Torontonian retard. Considering the source, I'd say there's nothing offensive in that article.

Poor Ontarian bastards, forced to live in that O2-deprived bubble of theirs... ;-)

NL-ExPatriate said...

Starrigan
It isn't so much as the writer of the article that bothers me it it the hoard of editors and reviewers who saw fit to publish this crap as the accepted feeling about NL. I can dismiss one ignorant centre of the world Torontonian but for the whole staff to agree to print this leaves me shaking my head as to what is their agenda.

It is attitudes like this that are the real conspiracy. It is the fact that NL isn't respected for our contributions to this Democratic/Imperialist state of Ontario.

This is the attitude of 60% of Canadians at least the 60% who are elected as MP's in 106 Ontario and 75 Quebec totalling 181 out of a total of 308 house of Assembly seats.

Since there are no other political institutions in Canada that represent the regions equally we truely are a colony of Quebec and Ontario and it doesn't matter what we do or how much we complain nothing will ever change until the system changes because it is inherantly flawed the way it is against the regions in favor of Ontario and to the appeasement of Quebec.

We need a triple E senate to properly represent the regions concerns equally. Equal Elected and Effective to counter the self serving and majority Quebec and Ontario MP's represent. Why do you think Canada has neer ratified the United Nations Law of the Sea article 76 which would make the Continental shelf fall under our control? Because that would mean Ontario's manufacturing industry would lose it's barganing chip in world trade. Custodial management and Foreign overfishing are just red herring the real issue here is ratification of UNCLOS. Why should we want to stop over fishing that just means the foreigners can still fish the quotas handed out by Ontario either outright quotas or the hidden quotas through the 10% bycatch quotas within the 200 mile limit.

And the Supreme court of Canada should also have a bilingual judge from each province chosen from the provincial supreme courts to properly represent the morals, ethics and concerns of the regions. Unlike what we have now in the Supreme court of Canada 3 judges from Ontario 3 from Quebec and 3 from the rest of Canada. make no wonder the Upper Churchill court case was thrown back into our faces.

http://www.lawofthesea.net/convention.htm
http://www.saskndp.com/history/mouseland.html

NL-ExPatriate said...

Did anyone catch the comments by Ontario MPP Mario Racco?

Liberal MPP Mario Racco (Thornhill) told the Toronto Star that an Ontario NDP proposal to cap gas prices as is done in the Maritimes and Newfoundland is poor public policy.

Racco went further, saying it would be unwise for Ontario to follow the lead of the poorest region in Canada. "Tell me something, what's the economic status of the Maritimes? Are they `have' provinces or `have-not' provinces? How is their economy doing? Why is it that Ontario has been doing much better than them?" he said. "The past performance would suggest to me their (the Maritime provinces') approach hasn't been as effective as it has been in Ontario. Why would we rely on their system?"

McGuinty quickly distanced himself from the outburst. "I would say there's probably a better way to frame those kinds of comments," the premier said.

He isn't saying the comments are wrong just that the attitude towards Atlantic Canada need to be kept under wraps while they contnue to utilize us like a colony. We aren't a province were a colony of Ontario.

How soon they forget who it was that helped pay for the CNR which helped populate the west and the Saint Lawrence Sea Way which helped build Ontario's manufacturing industry to our own detriment.

This kind of mentality is ingrained and needs to be either outted or get the F out.

BNB said...

I read the Slinger article again. I'm not really sure what he is getting off on. Other than the fact that he hates Newfoundland nothing else seems to be clear in that article. His real name is Joey Slinger and he is a wanna-be author. Long-time columnist but not highly respected for his other work. He has a novel - I won't advertise for him by naming it.

Here's the funny thing about his a-hole attitude about the literary festivals - They haven't even taken place yet. Both are scheduled for August?! So what's the guy's deal? Here's my take on it - he's a hack. There are powerhouse authors set to be represented at these festivals, they are popular and well attended.

This is simply the ramblings of the envious. Pitiful.

http://www.writersatwoodypoint.com/writerswp.php?id=about

http://www.wintersetinsummer.ca/Winterset_Festival_Writers.htm

WJM said...

Because that would mean Ontario's manufacturing industry would lose it's barganing chip in world trade.

What has been traded in the past for Ontario's manufacturing industry? With which countries? When? What is the source of that information? And what might be traded in the future?

NL-ExPatriate said...

Why else are there foreign fleets of Factory freezer Draggers of our coast destroying the bottom raping and pillaging our resource while our people do without.
Why else hasn't Canada ratified the United Nations Law of the Sea article 76 thus claiming our rightfull ownership of the entire continental shelf while Canadians in Atlantic Canada have their birth right by adjacency bartered away to foreign nations in the form of their being out there period. Canada controls the Quotas not the proinces Canada controls the science and Canada is ultimately responsible for it's people and the resources it's people depend on to eek a living from those resources.
Go back to your cushy Ottawa desk and try and tell your lies to someone else you self rightious leach on the tax payers dollar.

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Anonymous I said...

WJM - You asked

What has been traded in the past for Ontario's manufacturing industry? With which countries? When? What is the source of that information? And what might be traded in the future?


I can simply say to you WJM that it would be impossible to find the pathway, without some inside knowledge, of how to maneuver within Ottawa's accounting system, to give you an answer to all of the questions you have posed. All I can say is that our offshore waters were fished by just 4 foreign nations prior to Newfoundland and Labrador joining Confederation with Canada. France, Spain, Portugal and England. Now there are many, many more, including Japan, Korea, Cuba, Russia, Estonia, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and others. Since Canada controls the quotas of fish in those waters on the Grand Banks of Newfoundland, Canada is responsible. Why would Canada allow all of those extra foreign nations to fish off its coast if it didn't get something out of it. CANADA IS NOT THAT GENEROUS, and neither would Canada allow all that fishing activity off its coast if it didn't have a hand in it. Canada, I would say, would have its Navy Manpower out very quickly.

I would suggest to you that with Canada's not-so-transparent accounting of matters, it would literally be impossible to find out. Please WJM do not forget Ottawa was downgraded just a couple of years ago by Transparency International for being low-grade transparent on matters.

But WJM since you seem to fiercely defend Ottawa by coming back with questions on all statements that you do not like, made about Ottawa on the blogs I read, you probably have the maneuverability within the accounting records of Ottawa to do just that. If you have that power, and I wouldn't doubt you do, we would be forever grateful.

Please WJM do not come back with a number of questions on what I have said, because, believe me, I do not possess the maneuverability to get into the innards of Ottawa's accounting records. Anyway I would imagine it is a MAZE, and it would only be someone like you who could figure it out.

One thing I can tell you though is that Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba each had 15 years of life breathed into them, because Nickel ore from Voisey's Bay was given to both those cities. That is sickening to me when this province is dying from lack of industry, and as a result, a great number of our citizens have to move out West.

To recap. it is sickening when our FISH resource on the continental shelf and its slopes is caught by everyone but us. Our OIL resource is sucked out of the ground and shipped to our neighbouring provinces to be refined for consumption in the United States. Our Minerals are dug out of the ground and shipped to our neighbouring provinces to be refined and marketed to others. Our Hydroelectric energy is given directly to Quebec to be marketed. Somehting desperate is matter with this last paragraph.

Now WJM the contents of the last paragraph is as a result of a TEMPLATE that exists in Ottawa that requires a Centralist Economy. It will exist, no matter what the flavour of governmet in Ottawa is, whether it is Liberal, Conservative, NDP, of whatever. It will never change until the provinces who are not included in economic development zone rise up and say, we need to be in.

WJM I would appreciate your comments on my last two paragraphs, but please do no ask more questions on the first, because I do not have the powers to infiltrate the Ottawa system to give you the answers. Remember when things are non-transparent, the waters get very muddied.

Kilgore said...

Canada can go take a flying leap, Long walk on a short pier, or piss up a rope.

Patriot said...

WJM Said:

What has been traded in the past for Ontario's manufacturing industry? With which countries? When? What is the source of that information? And what might be traded in the future?

Well Wallace I wish I could tell you the whole story but I can't. I will tell you that I've spoken with a former politician (a well known one) who told me directly and clearly that while he was in office fishing rights were traded away in order to have certain foriegn tariffs lifted on textile imports that were needed for Ontario textile mills. I wish I could tell you who it was that gave me that information but they would prefer that I didn't. This is why I never wrote a piece on it.

I'm sure you'll question the validity of my previous statement because I didn't name the source but be that as it may I know what I know and that's all I can say on it.

BNB said...

Great posts! Anonymous you have a lot to say and are well written. You should get yourself a handle so we can refer to you by name. I'd like to hear more.

Anonymous I said...

This morning I listened to VOCM Open Line Hosted by Mr. Randy Simms. Mr. Simms had a call from Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn regarding the state of the fishery. I would like to say that Mr. Simms did an excellent job in fielding questions to Mr. Hearn on the present state of the fishery.

One of his questions to Mr. Hearn prompted an answer from Mr. Hearn that went something like this.

Mr. Hearn words - not verbatim -- "Well there are certain countries that have historical status, namely Portugal, Spain, France and one other, I didn't quite catch the name. He said they were fishing there long before Canada was a country.

He also said something to the effect that we cannot do much about those countries, but he did say that the countries who received quotas say to put a car plant somewhere in Canada and quotas that were given to obtain other trade concessions, maybe there is something that can be done with those, with time. Now these words are not verbatim, as I said, but from what I heard that is what I deduced out of his statements, I stand to be corrected. I want to personally thank Mr. Hearn through this blog for making the statements that he did this morning. A big thank you Mr. Hearn from me and I am sure many other Newfoundlanders and Labradoreans.

In this particular posting I would like to bring your readers attention to a Booklet compiled by George Baker, M.P, (NOW A SENATOR) a couple or more years back. The Booklet was titled "The Shocking Truth Part II" (I Do not have Part I or any others, if , indeed there are others.) Sorry!

This is how the Front of the Booklet appears.

The Shocking Truth Part II

WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR FISH?

.TONS OF FISH BEING DUMPED DAILY!
.BRIBES OFFERED TO FEDERAL OFFICALS!

(The Center Space of the Front Page is taken Up By A Photo Of A Large Fishing Boat And A Smaller Boat With Several People In It).

Underneath the picture are the words "Who are these people and what are they doing 80 miles from our coast?

George Baker, M.P. opens secret Federal Government reports to show us THE REAL STORY.

The above words are what appears on the Front Cover.

The Back Cover of the Booklet contains the following:

BAKERS BLACK BOOK ON THE FISHERY (PART ii)

.BRIBES AND GIFTS .TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES .MASSIVE DUMPING .STRANGE BUT TRUE .SOPHISTICATED FISH FINDING EQUIPMENT .BELIEVE IT OR NOT .THE BYCATCH .THE PRICE IS RIGHT .MYSTERIOUS QUOTAS .FLOATING FOREIGN FISH PLANTS INSIDE OUR ZONE .23 TONS OF LOBSTER CAUGHT ACCIDENTALLY .CANADA'S SHOCKING FISH IMPORTS .COLLISIONS AT SEA .UNSOLVED MYSTERIES


I have to say the little Booklet is revealing, it is Part II of a series, the only one I have in my possession, I am not sure whether there are others. I supposed if I called Senator Baker I probably would be able to get a copy of Part I, and any others that could have been printed.

Mr. Baker used to do a faboulous job of calling the Open Line shows from time to time and reporting on what was happening with the fishery that shocked him. I remember one morning he called Open Line to say that a number of quotas of shrimp under fishing licenses had been given out by Ottawa to a number of foreign countries and Canadian Provines, PLUS, he said under that particular allotment were quotas given to 2 Canadian Doctors, who immediately pocketed $5 to $6 million dollars upon the sale of the shrimp. Now WHY in God's World were 2 Canadian Doctors given Shrimp quotas?

It is too bad that shortly after Mr. Baker BECAME VOCAL ON THE was sent to the Senate and he was forever shut up. I have'nt heard Mr. Baker speak about the atrocities perpetrated on our fishery ever since.

Is this what happens to our politicians when they start to spew out the correct information? I don't know but I will let you be

Starrigan said...

Greats posts all. I can't believe that WJM is asking such a question!!! It's common knowledge that Canada has dealt hundreds of quota's to other countries to sweeten deals for Ontario manufacturers. Squid quoata's to Japan to help sell generators from Ontario, that's been going on for years. But again we're being distracted by WJM and we're getting sucked in by his uninformed notions or maybe he's just baiting us. Again we should just block him from posting and get on with how we can best get our self out of our current dilemma. We need to realize that things are not going to change unless we change them. A triple E senate is a pipe dream as is equality on the Supreme Court. No one willingly gives up power, why would they? So waiting for that kind of change in our country is useless and nonproductive, it will never happen. We should be concentrating our discussion on the future, how do we make it better within confederation? having failed that, how do we chart a course for separation?
This is what we need to focus on, not the injustices of the past and not wasting our energy responding to empty headed no minds like WJM. The past is behind us, what is required now is forward thinking.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that the owner of this blog allows such language to be printed here. He sure loves to monitor other topics but is allowing people to swear and be gross for this one. Be consistent.

On the actual topic.....You Newfs aren't happy until someone puts you down and then you can all rally around each other in indignation. Come on, the guy wrote in poor taste and you are all giving him the attention and reactions he wanted.

NL-ExPatriate said...

John Crosbie's book "No Holds Barred" also has some enlightening tid bits as does Brian Peckfords book and Clyde Wells book.

I seem to recall either Peckfords book or Crosbies talking about fish giveaways for trade concessions. I may have to go back and review to see if I can find it.

If nothing else reading these books will help us learn from our past in the hope of not making the same mistakes in the future.

I actually have a book from a Senator Baker called "Into the Breach" but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

I heard that on VOCM as well this morning Anon. I actually wrote a blog on it immediately while it was still fresh in my mind.

MrChills said...

So many friends within the USA, Europe and even Canada have a hard time wondering why I say I will always be a Newfoundlander and not a Canadian. The following article is one of the many examples of the bigotry we receive from our fellow mainland citizens each and every day.

The general rule of thumb within the Canadian news media is that when there is no real news to report on, just put together a nonsense article making fun of the stupid Newfies and your ratings will increase. It doesn’t matter if the facts are correct or if you use trite and overused stereotypes, the narrow-minded, uninformed population of mainland Canada will swallow it up with great conceit.

Canadians remind me of the high-school bully who picks on the smarter, better looking kids to feel better about their own shortcomings and insecurities. The educated world is well aware that Canada as a country has no true identity, and very little culture (outside of Newfoundland and Quebec of course). So much time is spent trying to distinguish their selves from being a watered down version of America that it actually sad and embarrassing. The few places within the Dominion that actually do have a distinguishable culture and heritage are ridiculed at every chance, in the same mentality as the high-school bully I mentioned earlier.

Since the future merger is more or less inevitable, Canada (with the exception of Newfoundland, Quebec and perhaps Cape Breton) should just become the 51st state now and get it done and over with. The rest of us with our massive natural resources, rich heritage and proud people will moved forward with our own sovereign nation or perhaps merge with the European Union.

For the time being, we will carry on as Canada’s white nigger getting whatever crumbs our federal masters drop off from the loaf until we have the means for our ultimate separation.

Starrigan said...

Nice one MrChills.

Milley said...

You know, as much as I hate people like Margaret Wente and Joey Slinger, we have to watch ourselves. There have been a lot of good points made on this blog, but some of the things said here are just as derogatory as the ones in the article being discussed. We can't let ourselves go down to their level, because it only proves their point - it makes us sound childish and whiney. And even though they started it, the best thing to do is for us to end it. Make comments, swear on the people that write those articles, but don't lump the entire mainland, or province, or city together with the authors of tabloid-worthy articles like this one.

WJM said...

The educated world is well aware that Canada as a country has no true identity, and very little culture (outside of Newfoundland and Quebec of course).

This is such an idiotic statement it could only have come from an ignorant Newfoundland nationalist.

What a chauvinistic, racist, stupid thing to say. You'd be good company for Slinger.

WJM said...

Since the future merger is more or less inevitable, Canada (with the exception of Newfoundland, Quebec and perhaps Cape Breton) should just become the 51st state now and get it done and over with. The rest of us with our massive natural resources, rich heritage and proud people will moved forward with our own sovereign nation or perhaps merge with the European Union.

Why Cape Breton?

What "massive natural resources"?

What good are "massive natural resources"?

Does no other part of Canada have "massive natural resources"?

Anonymous said...

This is such an idiotic statement it could only have come from an ignorant Newfoundland nationalist.

Really? What is Canada's culture? What is Canada's identity?

All I can think of is anti-Americanism.

MrChills said...

What a chauvinistic, racist, stupid thing to say. You'd be good company for Slinger.

Are you not the same person that has stated in the past that when Canadians and others from the outside world slant Newfoundlanders that they are not racist because Newfoundlanders can not be classed as a race? How then can a Newfoundlander be racist when slanting Canada?

I have traveled and lived all over Canada and the US and if you can tell me how for the most part Canada differs from the US in identity than I am all ears. I am not saying that it is good or bad, just stating the obvious.

MrChills said...

You’re right Wally, we don’t have any natural resources and they are no good to us.

You would argue with your own shadow.

WJM said...

Really? What is Canada's culture? What is Canada's identity?

What is Newfoundland's culture? What is Newfoundland's identity?

All I can think of is anti-Americanism.

All I can see and read hear is anti-Canadianism.

WJM said...

Are you not the same person that has stated in the past that when Canadians and others from the outside world slant Newfoundlanders that they are not racist because Newfoundlanders can not be classed as a race?

No, I am not.

I have traveled and lived all over Canada and the US and if you can tell me how for the most part Canada differs from the US in identity than I am all ears.

Canada, you may notice, is a separate country from the US, with its own politics, society, and culture. Yes, there are a great many cultural commonalities and other similarities. But Canada exists.

WJM said...

we don’t have any natural resources and they are no good to us.

Who said any such thing?

It's just to read the original posting you'd think that no other province had any natural resources. And the fixation on natural resources in Newfoundland society and thought shows a fundamental lack of economic knowledge: natural resources are no great predictor of the prosperity of a society. Russia, Latin America, and sub-Saharan Africa are rich in natural resources. Western Europe, at least these days, is not. Even the U.S. has far more demand for natural resources than the supply its industries need.

In fact, I'd be inclined to think that the fixation with natural resources, past, present, or potential future, is a HINDRANCE to the economic development of Newfoundland. Why invest, train, or be entrepreneurial, when the politicians keep promising some great new El Dorado around the corrner that will save everyone? Why branch out into the service and knowledge economy, when there's a bonanza always just out of reach?

Blashy said...

But wouldn't we need a source of cheap clean energy to develop these industries?

Anonymous II said...

WJM the fixation is not as much on the natural resources we were endowed with that are often mentioned on this and other blogs, it is more on the fact that Newfoundland and Labrador have so many natural resources and none of them are used to create industry in this province. As we know the the large hydroelectric project in Labrador was used for Quebec's benefit and Quebec gets billions of dollars out of it, we get enough to run the project. Fish is now used primarily for the world and this province's fishers are all idle. Oil, we cannot refine one barrel of it, until other Canadian refineries say so. Minerals, like Voisey's Bay Nickel had to be processed in Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba. Both these cities got 15 extra years of life breathed into them. You can rest assured that project came to life so quickly only beaause of those two cites, if Nefoundland and Labrador insisted that the nickel had to be refined here, I would hazard a guess we would still be negotiating that contract.

BNB said...

What is Newfoundland's Culture and Identity? Come on Wally for the love of God! I can travel anywhere in the world and I am distinguished by my dialect. We were our own country up until a couple of decades ago. We have unique species of plants and animals. We have landscape and geology unique in the world. We have our own music, art and writing. We have our own aboriginal history and cultures. Geographical Isolation has even created small pockets of genetic anomolies that are distinct from other regions and groups. This sort of stuff has been the topic of a great number of master's thesis and research. It's not disputable.

If you want to associate with the "culture" of Canada (barely distinguishable from the US) then it is yours to have. A great number of us are well aware of our identity.

Anonymous said...

What is Newfoundland's culture? What is Newfoundland's identity?

What is Labrador's culture? What is Labrador's identity?

So you're saying that you have no idea what Newfoundland culture is? Look at the language, food, literature, cuisine... c'mon man, St. John's was just named the cultural capital of Canada.

Could you just not come up with anything for Canada's culture? Neither could I.


All I can see and read hear is anti-Canadianism.

You can hear through your computor screen? hmm that might be a marketable talent.

Anonymous said...

"Geographical Isolation has even created small pockets of genetic anomolies that are distinct from other regions and groups"


Yeah.....like a small gene pool. The whole province is a genetic anomoly. If it was so great being your own country why did you join Confederation?? Because you couldn't cut it on your own. Now stop whining and be good little Canadians.

Anonymous I said...

We didn't join Canada, Canada got us through trickery. Don't you know the history of Canada scuttling 2 free trade deals which were set up between Newfoundland and Washington over the years. Canada wasn't too pleased about the alliances and advised England to see those deals cancelled. Canada wouldn't allow us be a country, when you deny a people from making a livlihood, you condemn people and its place to poverty and that is what Canada did to Newfoundland. When the opportunity arose and Canada saw its chance, with Britain owing it Eight Billion dollars for war debts, a deal was made that saw this province passed at the time a country passed over to Canada as payment of those debts. England was off the hook for its war debt and as far as England was concerned, this province, country at the time, was still part of the Commonwealth.

Canada knew the wealth of resources that lay within the waters surrounding our terriotry and contained beneath the soil. Canada would not have wanted us otherwise.

We had no other choice but to be swallowed up by the coveting Canada. Anything can happen under non-transparent conditions. That was what happened to this province. Nobody here could see through the murkiness. There was England on one side and Canada on the other. My god we would all have to have been Philadeppshi lawyers to have seen through all of that.

Anonymous I said...

Last Line in my last post there was a serious misspelling of Philadelphia. It should have read Philadelphia lawyers. Sorry!

BNB said...

Small gene pool isn't a problem when you start out with good genes. Call it selective breeding. We're creating a master race...

I've said too much... shhhh

MrChills said...

It's just to read the original posting you'd think that no other province had any natural resources.

Perhaps you need to clean the shit out of your glasses, in no way did I allude that Newfoundland was alone in having vast natural resources. The entire country is not migrating to Alberta to work on cattle ranches the last time I checked.

And the fixation on natural resources in Newfoundland society and thought shows a fundamental lack of economic knowledge: natural resources are no great predictor of the prosperity of a society. Russia, Latin America, and sub-Saharan Africa are rich in natural resources. Western Europe, at least these days, is not. Even the U.S. has far more demand for natural resources than the supply its industries need.

The majority of these countries have lived under corrupt dictatorship / communist rule for too long that have never allowed the money from these resources to be invested in the correct manner. The pockets of those at the top have increased, not its citizens. Sound familiar?

As for the US, if it was not for the abundant availability of cheap fossil fuels found within the US at the end of the 19th and turn of the 20th century, the US would not be recognized as the country it is today. They owe their entire industrial history and economy to the vast amount of local fossil fuels they had years ago. Long before Texas or the rest of the Gulf Coast came on the oil radar, the US was pulling endless (thought to be at the time) oil and natural gas out of Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky, etc... Without the local access and revenue created from these reserves, the US might have been worse off than Mexico in terms of economy today.

In fact, I'd be inclined to think that the fixation with natural resources, past, present, or potential future, is a HINDRANCE to the economic development of Newfoundland. Why invest, train, or be entrepreneurial, when the politicians keep promising some great new El Dorado around the corrner that will save everyone? Why branch out into the service and knowledge economy, when there's a bonanza always just out of reach?

In theory I think you hit it on the head with that statement. Too many people are sitting back waiting for the magical Government to save them. But, without a substantial source of revenue coming into the Provincial coffer, it is hard to invest into programs that benefit entrepreneurs and small business owners. I only hope that the Government does have enough sense to diversify the little money they have been getting, because it is only running out.

MrChills said...

If it was so great being your own country why did you join Confederation?? Because you couldn't cut it on your own. Now stop whining and be good little Canadians.

We could go back and forth on this all day and I am sure enough of us could share facts that would sound like something from a Tom Clancy novel; however, I am guessing it might be a little over your head.

It’s human nature to make mistakes. I had cable for years, but then for whatever reason, I thought it would be a good idea to switch to satellite. I guess the satellite people advertised more features and benefits for me, so I gave it a try. Six months later, I switched back to cable.

I think the same thing is happening in Newfoundland right now, people are tired of the Canadian dream that they were sold so long ago, tired of being treated as second class citizens, tired of being rapped of our people, resources and heritage. Will most of this go away if we left Canada? Probably not, we would no doubt be ridiculed and hated even more, but at the end of the day, for good or bad, we would in charge of our own faith.

Gary O'Regan said...

Don't ya just love Ontarians :-)

I try to ignore their rants... As a resident of Qu├ębec I am subjected to their attitudes and treated like a second class citizen quite often.

Makes me proud to be Irish.
Good luck!

WJM said...

WJM the fixation is not as much on the natural resources we were endowed with that are often mentioned on this and other blogs, it is more on the fact that Newfoundland and Labrador have so many natural resources and none of them are used to create industry in this province.

None?

So, not one stick of wood is turned into paper in the province? Not one ounce of iron ore is turned into pellets in the province? Not one fish is filleted, frozen, or otherwise processed in the province?

And if resources aren't utilized, if industries aren't created, whose fault is that? What have YOU, personally, done to create industry lately?

As we know the the large hydroelectric project in Labrador was used for Quebec's benefit and Quebec gets billions of dollars out of it, we get enough to run the project.

"We" sold it to them. Willing buyer, willing seller.

Fish is now used primarily for the world and this province's fishers are all idle.

All of them? Every single one?

Oil, we cannot refine one barrel of it, until other Canadian refineries say so.

Says who or what?

Minerals, like Voisey's Bay Nickel had to be processed in Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba.

Until there's a plant in Argentia, Newfoundland, yes.

WJM said...

I can travel anywhere in the world and I am distinguished by my dialect.

And? There's no single Newfoundland "dialect" for starters, and there's no shortage of other "dialects" in the rest of Canada, either.

We were our own country up until a couple of decades ago.

Couple?

We have unique species of plants and animals.

Which plant or animal does Newfoundland has that isn't found anywhere else? And how is that "culture"?

We have landscape and geology unique in the world.

So does every place else! Every square inch of the world, including Canada, is a distinct landscape with a distinct geological history. And how is that culture?

We have our own music, art and writing. We have our own aboriginal history and cultures.

So does every other part of Canada, and for that matter, pretty well everywhere in the world where people live, and, in respect to writing, are literate.

Geographical Isolation has even created small pockets of genetic anomolies that are distinct from other regions and groups.

This is hardly unique, and in any event, culture isn't genetic.

This sort of stuff has been the topic of a great number of master's thesis and research. It's not disputable.

I'm not disputing that Newfoundland has a culture.

I'm disputing the stupid, ignorant, chauvinistic Newfoundland nationalist myth that Newfoundland, and no other part of Canada, alone has culture, whatever culture is.

If you want to associate with the "culture" of Canada (barely distinguishable from the US) then it is yours to have.

How is it any more "barely distinguishable" than Canada vs. Newfoundland? After all, the nostalgia CanCon bands of the 1980s do a pretty good business when they haul their paunches around on tour to the festival circuit in Newfoundland.

A great number of us are well aware of our identity.

And a great number of youse seem to think, falsely and chauvinisticly, that you are the only ones with an identity.

WJM said...

We didn't join Canada, Canada got us through trickery.

What "trickery"?

Don't you know the history of Canada scuttling 2 free trade deals which were set up between Newfoundland and Washington over the years.

More Newfoundland nationalist myth. Britain scuttled the first one. The US Senate rejected the second one.

Canada wasn't too pleased about the alliances and advised England to see those deals cancelled.

England isn't a self-governing country. Great Britain chose Canada's interests over Newfoundland's. Blame Britain, not Canada. (And if Britain could scuttle such a deal, how independent was Newfoundland in the first place?)

Canada wouldn't allow us be a country,

How?

Canada knew the wealth of resources that lay within the waters surrounding our terriotry and contained beneath the soil.

And? All those resources beneath the soil are still under the exclusive jurisdiction of the government in St. John's. Nothing has changed with Confederation.

WJM said...

Perhaps you need to clean the shit out of your glasses, in no way did I allude that Newfoundland was alone in having vast natural resources. The entire country is not migrating to Alberta to work on cattle ranches the last time I checked.

When you say:

The rest of us with our massive natural resources

it would indicate that you seem to think you have something that the rest of Canada does not.

The majority of these countries have lived under corrupt dictatorship / communist rule for too long that have never allowed the money from these resources to be invested in the correct manner. The pockets of those at the top have increased, not its citizens. Sound familiar?

Yip. Hi, Chairman Dan!

In theory I think you hit it on the head with that statement. Too many people are sitting back waiting for the magical Government to save them.

Thanks for the encouragement!

But, without a substantial source of revenue coming into the Provincial coffer, it is hard to invest into programs that benefit entrepreneurs and small business owners.

Why should the government invest in "programs that benefit entrepreneurs" blah blah blah, other than getting out of their way, and providing them with the basics — say, a highway — that let them do their job and build their commerce?

WJM said...

I think the same thing is happening in Newfoundland right now, people are tired of the Canadian dream that they were sold so long ago, tired of being treated as second class citizens, tired of being rapped of our people, resources and heritage. Will most of this go away if we left Canada? Probably not, we would no doubt be ridiculed and hated even more, but at the end of the day, for good or bad, we would in charge of our own faith.

And yet, in a recent by-election in one of the most nationalist parts of the province, in one of the areas that voted solidly against Confederation in 1948, the Newfoundland separatists didn't even get three dozen votes.

Why was that?

WJM said...

tired of being rapped of our people, resources and heritage.

Who's taking your people?

Who's taking what resources?

Who's taking what heritage?

BNB said...

Welcome to WJM FM, it's all Wally all the time.

Anonymous I said...

What "trickery" you ask WJM?

A little bit of baby bonus promised to our citizens for so many resources, and ballot boxes that disappeared. That sounds like trickery to me WJM.


At Canada's request the free trade deals between Newfoundland and Washington were cancelled. Or so says our history.

WJM I would rather believe our History over your interpretation, probably with your consultation with Ottawa and the twist it puts on history.



Canada wouldn't allow us be a country,

How you say WJM?

WJM, Canada secured us by hook or by crook. It scuttled deals as History says, that made us poorer economically. Also when the referendum was held in 1949, ballot boxes disappeared. What happened to those ballot boxes? Why werent't there security police monitoring those ballot boxes, the same as happens in other countries of the world when such important voting events take place, and Canada often sends representative to monitor the ballot boxes in these events?

Canada has always wooed us WJM, or so says History, but why wouldn't it have done so, Canada knew of our natural resourcs and, of course, by securing this province it gave Canada its Eastern Flank and made it a full fledge country from Coast to Coast to Coast. No more worries that the territory to the East of Nova Scotia and Quebec would become a foreign country. Securing this province meant that Canada didn't have a foreign country on its Eastern flank to worry about. And WJM please look at the territory and waters Canada inherited by being the beneficiary of the coveted land and waters to the East of it. As I said before, in another post, this place could have ended up being an unfriendly country on Canada's Eastern flank. Canada sure wouldn't have wanted that. This place, we live in, made Canada a much more securer country and a much more wealthier one. Again Canada would never have taken on a lost cause, it knew full well what it was getting when it was taking on Newfoundland and Labrador. It knew it was taking on a pot of gold, but unfortunately our people were too trusting or probaly too unaware to know what was happening.


And? All those resources beneath the soil are still under the exclusive jurisdiction of the government in St. John's. Nothing, you say WJM, has changed with Confederation.

If nothing has changed WJM, what good are our natural resources to Newfoundland and Labrador when everthing has to go to either Quebec, Ontario or Manitoba? And, of course, as we all know Ottawa, itself has the equity in our Oil, along with the Oil conglomerates, Quebec owns the hydroelectric power and Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba are benefiting for the next 15 years from our Nickel Ore. We are promised a plant in Argentia for Nickel Ore refining, but I doubt we will ever see it. But if we do, Sudbury and Thompson will still get 15 years worth of Nickel to keep both those cities alive. And Our Fish is benefiting the world, while most of our fishers get very, very little of that resource. Besides the fish quotas are not in this provinces grip, they are securely in the grip of Ottawa.

WJM I would like you to answer a couple of questions. Why would Quebec not give Newfoundland and Labrador a corridor for the Upper Churchill hydroelectic power? Do you know anything of the CFLCO loophole? Information that apparently Quebec became privy to. Apparently it is being investigated by MUN. And why did we have to ship 15 years worth of Nickel ore to Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba, while we are languishing here without economies and jobs, all the while many of our citizens have to move out of this province to go elsewhere to work. And why won't Exxon Mobil not give us 4.9 per cent equity in Hebron Ben Nevis?

WJM - If you post again I would like you to answer the above questions for me please, and please don't beat around the bush with your answers. I would like real answers, because I want to stop posting to this blog. Thanks



July 25, 2006 9:24 PM

WJM said...

A little bit of baby bonus promised to our citizens for so many resources,

Resources for baby bonus? That's a new conspiracy theory on me.

and ballot boxes that disappeared. That sounds like trickery to me WJM.

Where did the ballot boxes disappear? How was Canada involved if this did happen? How did it affect the outcome?

At Canada's request the free trade deals between Newfoundland and Washington were cancelled. Or so says our history.

The Bond-Blaine one, yes. The Hay treaty died in the US Senate. So says our history. Read it sometime.

WJM, Canada secured us by hook or by crook. It scuttled deals as History says, that made us poorer economically.

Canada didn't scuttle any deals. Britain scuttled one. Britain isn't Canada. The US Senate scuttled the other. I know you Newfoundland nationalists LOVE a good conspiracy, so please explain, how did Canada, in 1906, control the actions of the US Senate?

Also when the referendum was held in 1949, ballot boxes disappeared.

A good thing too, since any referendum in 1949 would have been some kind of fraud! The referenda in my history books happened in 1948.

Where did the ballot boxes disappear from?

Canada has always wooed us WJM, or so says History,

Always wooed? Oh? That's new to me.

If nothing has changed WJM, what good are our natural resources to Newfoundland and Labrador when everthing has to go to either Quebec, Ontario or Manitoba?

Who says "everything has to go" there? Certainly not the federal government. The mines and other terrestrial resources of ANY province are under the jurisdiction of that province, and that province alone.

And, of course, as we all know Ottawa, itself has the equity in our Oil, along with the Oil conglomerates,

They have equity because they put the money in. Duh. That's what "equity" is.

Quebec owns the hydroelectric power

Because they bought it and took on the risk of building Churchill Falls.

and Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba are benefiting for the next 15 years from our Nickel Ore.

Newfoundland doesn't have any nickel ore.

Labrador nickel ore is being exported from the province with the consent of the province.

We are promised a plant in Argentia for Nickel Ore refining, but I doubt we will ever see it.

Of course you do. You, like all Newfoundland nationalists, love a good conspiracy.

(Why won't you post under a handle, by the way?)

nd Our Fish is benefiting the world, while most of our fishers get very, very little of that resource.

Our fishers get most of that resource, actually, if you cared to look it up.

Besides the fish quotas are not in this provinces grip, they are securely in the grip of Ottawa.

And most of them have been allocated to interests within the province.

Why hasn't Chairman Dan taken up Harper's offer of joint management of the fisheries, I wonder?

WJM I would like you to answer a couple of questions. Why would Quebec not give Newfoundland and Labrador a corridor for the Upper Churchill hydroelectic power?

Because it wouldn't have been in their economic interest to do so, any more than it would be for NL to grant Quebec access to the headwaters of the Five Rivers for nothing either.

Do you know anything of the CFLCO loophole?

What's the "CFLCO loophole"?

Information that apparently Quebec became privy to. Apparently it is being investigated by MUN.

Good for them.

And why did we have to ship 15 years worth of Nickel ore to Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba, while we are languishing here without economies and jobs, all the while many of our citizens have to move out of this province to go elsewhere to work.

Questions, anonymous coward, end with question marks.

I have a question for you: Where is this "fifteen years" figure coming from?

I have another one: Why won't Newfoundlanders work in Labrador City, when they'll fly to Fort Mac for work, and give Chairman Dan something else to fustigate about? (Did you hear his bizarre rant against Air Canada for "taking our Newfoundlanders"? What a strange little man.)

And why won't Exxon Mobil not give us 4.9 per cent equity in Hebron Ben Nevis?

Why should they GIVE it? You'd have to ask Exxon Mobil the why; I'm in no way associated with Exxon Mobil.

WJM - If you post again I would like you to answer the above questions for me please, and please don't beat around the bush with your answers. I would like real answers, because I want to stop posting to this blog. Thanks

I want you to stop posting, too, at least under a cowardly anonymous handle. Blogmaster, can you disable anonymous and pseudonymous posting, please?

Anonymous said...

WJM said I want you to stop posting, too, at least under a cowardly anonymous handle. Blogmaster, can you disable anonymous and pseudonymous posting, please?

WJM is as anyonymous a handle as is Anonymous. What do the initials WJM stand for anyway? If Blogmaster diables anonymous and pseudonymous postings, blogmaster will have to diable WJM as well, I presume.

Anonymous I said...

WJM I asked you not to respond to my questions if you were not going to give real answers. As always in your posts you ask questions on questions and beat around the bush with your so-called answers. You are, indeed, a very confounding person.

As for your question "Why won't Newfoundlanders come to Labrador to work, but will instead go to Fort MacMurray? I don't know the reason for that, maybe it is because they are not aware there are jobs in that part of their own province. If, indeed, there are jobs there, why isn't somebody coming down to the Island to recruit workers. Good Grief I would much rather go somewhere in my own province than off to far-away Alberta.

As for my family, there are nineteen of my siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins living in Labrador communities; and a total count of thirty-one, if I count the off-spring of these relatives. They own homes and cabins and live in Wabush, Labrador City and Happy-Valley/Goose Bay. Some of them have been there for 30 years plus, and they would rather be there than anywhere else in the world. They love the people, they love the climate there and they love the beauty. They have put down deep roots there, and no doubt, they will be there to the day they die. Matter of fact three of these family members are retired now and are still living there. Labrador has been good to them and they treat Labrador good as well. Labrador is their home and not the Island part of the province.

WJM said...

WJM I asked you not to respond to my questions if you were not going to give real answers. As always in your posts you ask questions on questions and beat around the bush with your so-called answers. You are, indeed, a very confounding person.

Perhaps you are just easily confounded.

As for your question "Why won't Newfoundlanders come to Labrador to work, but will instead go to Fort MacMurray? I don't know the reason for that, maybe it is because they are not aware there are jobs in that part of their own province.

Pretty pathetic, isn't it, that people would be that ignorant of their own province? Danny says Labrador is an "integral part" of the province. I wonder sometimes.

they would rather be there

they love the climate there and they love the beauty. They have put down deep roots there, and no doubt, they will be there to the day they die. Matter of fact three of these family members are retired now and are still living there.


"there".

See, again a Newfoundlander considers Labrador to be "there" instead of an integral part of "here".

Labrador has been good to them and they treat Labrador good as well. Labrador is their home and not the Island part of the province.

God, what is with Newfoundlanders and that stupid circumlocution "island portion of the province"?

Why not just say "Newfoundland"? That's its name, after all.

WJM said...

WJM I asked you not to respond to my questions if you were not going to give real answers.

Coming from someone who doesn't answer questions himself/herself/itself, that's pretty rich.

Anonymous said...

WJM

You still refuse to get well informed FROM THE FED. FISHERIES MINISTER LOYOLA HEARN and get the correct answers on what happened to the fish and how so many quotas were given out over the years to so many countries by Ottawa. Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn will give you the answer. Please call him or write him. Nobody can help you if you wish to remain in the dark. I will rest my case here. You should smarten up and get informed or please do not blog with nonsense. You lead readers astray when you post things that are not correct.

ALSO WJM you want others not to blog under anonymous, but you continue to blog under the anonymous initials WJM. Are you an a He or a She? By the way WJM there are no ITS in the human race. I thought you would have, at least, a little compassion there, but it appears you don't. I thought you were much more aware than that. It is not kosher to write things like that in today's world. Again smarten up. And why isn't your name on your blog. I thought a blogger would identify Himself/Herself. Why do you not want to identify yourself? And WHY do you refuse to answer this question after prompting it by questioning others on why they post under anonymous? If I ever create a Blog, I will name myself. You are obviously a hypocrite WJM for suggesting that others not post under anonymous while you continue to post under WJM aks ANONYMOUS. Now please do not respond to this blog unless you answer the question as to what WJM stands for. You can tell me it is none of my business if you want, but please address the question.

BNB said...

Wally it is impossible to answer your questions - most people don't even try anymore. You would think it is evidence of your profound insight (that has us mere mortals on our toes). Truthfully it is because you A: Bombard the blog with questions and B: Like a child there is no answer that will suffice, instead creating more questions "but why, but why"

Like defending if N&L has a distinct culture. I could write a book, many others have. And it doesn't take away from others having culture in Canada... quite simply I can say without hesitation that Newfoundland and Labrador in Canada is distinct in identity and culture, and there are hordes of others in this province who will agree. Except you.

WJM said...

You still refuse to get well informed FROM THE FED. FISHERIES MINISTER LOYOLA HEARN and get the correct answers on what happened to the fish and how so many quotas were given out over the years to so many countries by Ottawa.

Why? Because Canadians wouldn't fish them, that's why.

Why is it, with all these supposed "trade deals" for fish, no one can identify what countries got what trade considerations for what quotas of what species and when?

Why is that?

Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn will give you the answer. Please call him or write him. Nobody can help you if you wish to remain in the dark.

I've tried to find this information. DFO doesn't have it... could it be BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST?

I will rest my case here. You should smarten up and get informed or please do not blog with nonsense.

Do you have this information? If so, please post it: what countries got what trade considerations for what quotas of what species and when?

You lead readers astray when you post things that are not correct.

What is incorrect?

ALSO WJM you want others not to blog under anonymous, but you continue to blog under the anonymous initials WJM. Are you an a He or a She?

A he. Now, what are you and your initials? (Mine are not anonymous; they are my real ones.)

By the way WJM there are no ITS in the human race. I thought you would have, at least, a little compassion there, but it appears you don't. I thought you were much more aware than that. It is not kosher to write things like that in today's world.

Why not? You could be a bot for all I know.

You can tell me it is none of my business if you want, but please address the question.

Show me yours first.

WJM said...

Truthfully it is because you A: Bombard the blog with questions

Which no one can answer. Funny, that.

Like defending if N&L has a distinct culture.

What does "defending if" mean?

Newfoundland has distinct cultures. So does Labrador. Who has said otherwise? You have serious reading comprehension problems, and I do mean serious, if you think a statement that "you are wrong to say other places besides NL and Quebec don't have culture" means that I'm saying that NL and Quebec don't have culture.

Sheesh, that's like Grad Seven English and public speaking class.

I could write a book, many others have. And it doesn't take away from others having culture in Canada...

No? Then what was up with

"If you want to associate with the "culture" of Canada (barely distinguishable from the US)"

You still haven't explained, by the way, which species of plants or animals are unique to Newfoundland, or how plants, animals, rocks, geology, or landscape constitute "culture". Culture is a human expression; it may be related to natural surroundings, but those surroundings themselves, not being artefacts of the human mind, are not "culture".

quite simply I can say without hesitation that Newfoundland and Labrador in Canada is distinct in identity and culture, and there are hordes of others in this province who will agree. Except you.

When have I disagreed with the assertion that Newfoundland and Labrador is distinct in identity and culture? Please point that occasion out. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

WJM

Please read a column in the August 2, 2006 copy of the Express by Averill Baker on the Fishery. This column will make you more informed. She has written many wonderful columns on the Fishery. Averill Baker is a lawyer, and I do hope she takes the Federal Government to court on how they are allowing the fishery to be decimated. If Averill Baker doesn't, I hope someone else does.

WJM - There is an option on the blogs if a person wants to post anomnosly, he or she can. You have chosen to with the initials WJM, now that is o.k to post to another's blog. But the author of a blog,like yourself, should make his/her identity known.

By the way WJM, from your writings, you appear to be a very immature and childish. I can't imagine calling someone a IT or a BOT. WJM please become a little more maturer in your writings. I have no problem with your grammar and your style of writing, it is EXCELLENT, but calling writers, like myself to blogs unkind names, like IT or BOT is very immature, and it is not befitting of a person, like yourself, who writes so gramattically well. Please be kinder and please become informed as to what is happening between Ottawa, with our fish, and the foreign nations which Ottawa is patronizing with the fish quotas to serve its own end.

It truly is time for someone to take Ottawa to task for non-maintenance of the fishery which it was entrusted with, and for which it accepted responsibility. That trust has been severely broken.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I am in the minority here but I can't remember a single time that I haven't agreed with what WJM has posted. He is surprisingly perceptive for a person from NL and he gives me hope that there are others who don't blindly follow what "government" tells them to think and feel."

Keep up the good work WJM and don't let these knuckleheads tell you what to write.

Anonymous said...

For those people who like to refer to others as BOTS, ITS and KNUKCLEHEADS, because others do not now want to blindly follow what government tries to make us believe, PLEASE go to the Websites of such WATCHDOGS as PROBE INTERNATIONAL, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL and ODIOUS DEBTS. If you posters, who try to sway others, are not already aware of the atrocities, deceitfulness and cover-ups of governments, you will be aware after brushing up on these 3 sites I just referred to you. We, here, in Newfoundland and Labrador have had atrocities, deceitfulness and cover-ups perpetrated on our resources and our people by the Government and big industries since the beginning of time. As a result we have become quite aware and we are now trying to do something about it. Please, USERS of the BOT, IT, KNUCKLEHEAD titles, do not try to dissuade or stop us. Because there is no stopping now. We are already many years too late, and as a result we have lost many of our resources and our people.

Anonymous said...

These posters to the blogs who call others ugly names, are no different than the school yard bullies, instead they are bullies who act on behalf of governments.

WJM said...

Please read a column in the August 2, 2006 copy of the Express by Averill Baker on the Fishery.

Is that the one where she shows her ignorance of world affairs by not recognizing the difference between North and South Korea? That was pretty funny.

Averill Baker is a lawyer,

And?

and I do hope she takes the Federal Government to court on how they are allowing the fishery to be decimated.

I hope she does too.

But the author of a blog,like yourself, should make his/her identity known.

Why?

By the way WJM, from your writings, you appear to be a very immature and childish. I can't imagine calling someone a IT or a BOT.

You have a poor imagination, then.

Please be kinder and please become informed as to what is happening between Ottawa, with our fish, and the foreign nations which Ottawa is patronizing with the fish quotas to serve its own end.

Which ends?

Which foreign nations?

Be specific.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

For those of you who have a tendency to follow Governments and believe everything they say without questioning, including Ottawa , I would like to REFER you to some Government Watchdogs. These Government Watchdogs are Probe International, Transparency International and Odious Debts.

I gaurantee you that after you read reports from these Watchdogs, you will never believe Government again. Yes, Ottawa included. Ottawa is up there with the worst of them in deceitfulness, slime, and lack of transparency on issues.

These Watchdogs Reports are a MUST-READ for people wanting to support Governments without taking their blinders of, and as a result believing every word said.

Anonymous said...

I suspect old WJM has a bad case of Alzheimers. At least when it comes to anything negative regarding our Federal minders.

Anonymous I said...

WJM is not afflicted with Alzeimers. WJM is working on behalf of OTTAWA to dispute what evil deeds, we know that have been perpetrated on the province of NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR. OTTAWA has planted this drone to guard against NL and its people being the primary beneficiary of thier resources.

This person is a drone who peruses over the NL blogging community. From what I have read ON who this person is, I feel sure WJM is part of the Scott Reid network. We were promised by Scott Reid of PAUL MARTIN fame that we would pay for getting something out of our Atlantic Accord; and we are damn well paying for it with the virus infections of WJM. And I am sure WJM is being well paid for his/her job of acting as a drone for and by OTTAWA, of course.

Let us not be fooled by and for whom WJM is working on behalf. WJM is doing a fine job for OTTAWA as we all know. That is all the more reason we cannot let this person keep perpetrating the smoke screen deeds WJM has been perpetrating on us. Are we going to allow OTTAWA to use and abuse us with these types of actions that were recommended by Scott Reid? If we do, then we are nothing but fools!

WJM said...

We were promised by Scott Reid of PAUL MARTIN fame that we would pay for getting something out of our Atlantic Accord;

When did Scott Reid say that? Please be specific.

perpetrating the smoke screen

Smoke screen?

Sorry to inflict facts and dissent on you, but it has to be done.

Are we going to allow OTTAWA to use and abuse us with these types of actions that were recommended by Scott Reid?

Which type of actions did Scott Reid recommend? Please be specific.

Anonymous I said...

When a person denys Scott Reid made a statement to us citizens of Newfoundland and Labrador that we would have to pay for the little bit of remuneration we received from the Atlantic Accord, well then we know there is no use arguing with this person, because this person will deny everything.

Of course, this person is paid by Ottawa to counteract posts to the blogs to deny everything.

WJM said...

When a person denys Scott Reid made a statement to us citizens of Newfoundland and Labrador that we would have to pay for the little bit of remuneration we received from the Atlantic Accord,

When did Scott Reid say that?

What words did Scott Reid use?

PLEASE. BE. SPECIFIC.

Thank you.