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Thursday, June 14, 2007

Is Alberta the "Canary in a Coal Mine" for the Federal Tories?

Are serious fractures appearing in the big blue machine out west?

Alberta has long been a stronghold of Tory support and the region that saw the birth of reform. The party that eventually spawned our latest Prime Minister. Today some conservatives there are scratching their heads in wonder over what appears to be the beginnings of a major collapse in support.

Federal Tory support in Atlantic Canada is already shot to hell thanks to the PM's broken promises and fractured contracts. The party is all but dead in Newfoundland and Labrador. In Nova Scotia not only is the federal party on the ropes but thanks to his dithering and lack of viable spinal fluid, provincial Tory Premier Rodney MacDonald is showing signs of needing life support.

A recent poll showed the Nova Scotia premier at just 29% support in his home province. Unfortunately for the Premier, that poll was conducted before Bill Casey’s exodus from the federal caucus and the stoking of anti-conservative flames that had been smoldering for months. In the post Casey era some are speculating that MacDonald’s numbers, along with those of the two remaining Tory MPs in that province, are about to go into free fall.

For Mr. Harper the picture isn't any brighter in Central Canada. In Ontario the Tories hoped to make inroads with their ill fated equalization plan and in Quebec through buying votes with equalizatin funding snatched from resource dependent provinces. Neither of those decisions has had the desired effect and the limited bump they provided in the polls has been short lived. The Tories are still a long way from any kind of solid support in either of Canada’s two vote rich provinces.

With three provincial premiers already on the attack (not to mention a sweet little old war widow toting yet another signed and broken promise by the PM) and new information surfacing today that New Brunswick and PEI are also on the losing end of the new equalization forumla, Harper’s poll numbers are expected to slip even lower and his party may be on the verge of collapse across the Country.

The most recent polls show the federal Conservatives trailing the Liberals by 3 percentage points. With two more provinces now likely to go on the attack this could be a long hot summer for Mr. Harper and his caucus.

Adding to the PM’s woes this morning, is an unwanted surprise from deep within his normally strong western base.

With Saskatchewan already on the war path and 7 Tory seats there up for grabs, a provincial by-election in Alberta yesterday produced results which could signal that the once mighty provincial Tories have become victims of ill will and mistrust aimed at their federal counterparts.

The possibility exists that provincial Tories in Alberta are the “canary in the coal mine” when it comes to how the electorate plans to vote in the next federal election. Its a swing Stephen Harper may not want to deal with right now.

After more than thirty years of uninterupted majority governments in Alberta the PC party there is feeling the heat. Last night the party lost a key by-election in, of all places, Ralph Klein’s old Tory stronghold. A riding that has seen nothing but Tory blue since its inception in the early 1970’s is flying Liberal red today.

Alan Hallman, a Klein organizer was quoted in the National Post today as saying, "If we're not careful, I think the Liberals can form the next government. You've seen the history of this province. Once we turn, we turn en masse."

Political scientist, Duane Bratt, from Calgary’s Mount Royal College noted, "It's not the by-election I would put as much stock into. It's the trend line. There's been a series of little steps, all going down."

The most recent provincial polls in Alberta show Calgary area conservatives down nearly 20% since January and the trend downward is showing no signs of abating.

Granted the provincial and federal Tories are in reality two separate entities, but if, after nearly three and a half decades of unquestioned support in Alberta the tide is turning, from Tory blue to Grit red, it may signal a reality shift the Prime Minister and his party will have to deal with when the next federal election rolls around.

85 comments:

Anonymous said...

On the budget implementation bill the Globe is reporting:

"...While Liberal Senators have indicated they would like to conduct hearings into the budget bill, Conservative House Leader Peter Van Loan urged them Thursday to heed the message of Liberal Leader St├ęphane Dion and pass the legislation.

Mr. Van Loan told reporters in Ottawa that the “unelected, unaccountable Liberal red chamber” should not jeopardize money allocated in the budget.

And Conservative Senator Majorie LeBreton says voting against Bill C-52 — or slowing its passage — would show disrespect to the House of Commons."

So much for the concept that the senate, elected or not, is supposed to be the place of "sober second thought".

I believe I heard that quote used by a Conservative MP in the past week but now, even with at least 3 and maybe even 5 or 6 provinces ticked, the potential for legal action resulting from the bill and the start of a constitutional crisis the house of "sober second thought" is being told to pass the bill becuase not doing so would be disrespectful to the Commons.

Democracy IS DEAD.

Repulican said...

"Democracy IS DEAD."

My friend I hope that your a Newfoundlander,or labradorian.And, I hope even more that the rest of the province can come to your conclusion.The main partys are fruitless and irrelevant to the us.

Be them liberial or Conservative ,the time has come for self-relisation.No One,and I mean no one ,has more Love for our great home then those that have come from it.The next time that MP's are sent to Ottawa ,send them with the knowledge that the federal Govenement is dead to us and that we cannot make a contribution.Then use those seven seats to get what we can for the Province.

Do to Ottawa what it has been doing to us for years .Divide and conquer. Get what we can for ourselves befor we don't have the option of doing even that .

But ,like you ,I truely believe that in my heart of hearts ,we now are watching what I would call the death of canada.

"NO Equality ,NO REPRESENTATION"

"NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE"

Anonymous said...

I just heard on CBC Radio broadcast news that Ontario's Premier Dalton McGuinty is rumbling again and stating he isn't going to subsidize rich provinces like Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia through the equilization program.

I would also like to rumble by saying, isn't that what the province of Newfoundland and Labrador has been doing since its existence in Canada for over 58 years now subsidizing some of the other provinces economies, through exporting its resources against its will?

Wasn't a city in Ontario, namely Sudbury, Ontario the recipient of part of the rich ovide of Nickel Ore from Voisey's Bay, despite the fact Newfoundlanders and Labradorians waged a campaign that the ore be processed in this province, against the strong voices of the National Newspapers on behalf of Ontario and Manitoba?

What about the other resources the province of Newfoundland and Labrador exported to the some of the other provinces over the past 58 years for processing, such as Fish, Oil, Hydroelectricity and Iron Ore? All the while, the province of Newfoundland and Labrador's economy was registering the weakest in the whole of Canada, despite its vast resources, considering there are only 500,000 inhabitants in the province. Also for many years now we have had the highest GDP in Canada despite the fact it has never equated in jobs.

Artfull dodger said...

The way I see it, is the Conservatives basically squeeked in with a minority due to the sponsorship scandal and Martin's lackluster performance.

Harper is focusing on vote rich areas to spread his version of good cheer in hopes of upping his popularity but it doesn't seem to be panning out as he had hoped. Many conservatives (western provinces and Ontario mostly)are upset with the Conservative's apparant pandering to Quebec. Many conservatives are also not happy with the tory budget which they consider to be more in keeping with a liberal government.

Other issues such as income trusts, David Emersons crossing over and the annointment of Michael Fortier have miffed people significantly.

Of course Atlantic Canada and Saskachewan have issues with the Harper regime as we all are intimately aware of.

I don't see the Liberals catching on very much in Alberta, which is pretty much a bastion for conservatism both social and fiscal. Albertans also remember the NEP brought about by the Liberals. Albertans may be discontent with the provincial PC's, however it is possible that their version of a provincial seperatist party could take hold if a federal Liberal party gets back in and puts forth policies which do not fit well with Alberta.

With respect to the recent polls, I can't help but feel that the Conservatives would be polling lower if the Liberals had a different leader than Dion, but what the heck do I know, I'm not as political savy as others posting here.

Anonymous said...

You have to love those dimwits in Ottawa, mainly Flaherty.

Recently the province requested clarification on some points around equalization. They received a letter from Flaherty answering the questions posed.

In it, Jim Flaherty wrote that an important principle of the budget "was the application of a fiscal capacity cap, which sets a ceiling on equalization payments based on the fiscal capacity of the highest non-receiving province."

In case you missed it he said, "The highest non-receiving province", Alberta, not the lowest, Ontario.

Obviously a mistake but clearly these guys have no clue what they are talking about or how to handle this situation.

If it was the highest non-receiving province that would, in essence, mean there was no cap since Alberta is so far beyond any other part of the Country it wouldn't matter.

What a bunch of knobs.

WJM said...

Greg Byrne, you could at least spell your new pseudonym right. There's a b in republican.

Anonymous said...

How trivial WJM? How many times have you left out a letter or added one where it didn't belong in a word on your postings to this blog? I have seen it with my own eyes, more than once, but I thought it was too childish to mention. Please do not stoop so low. You act like a kindergarten attendee.

Republican said...

June 15, 2007 1:02 PM,Thank-You

And allow me to be the better person and apologise to Mr J McLean for my Inability to reach his high standards of penmanship.

And ,yes ,I do read the gentlemens Blog and take great enjoyment from his writing's ,but I will not take credit for his fine work.I see though Mr J Wallace that you too do "FOLLOW GOOD" writings as well .

I see that you found your way here to Mr Higgons Blog as well.If only Sue Kelland-Dyer were still Blogging.
I'm sure that both ,you and I could stand to learn a TREMENDOUS
amount in the presence of Greatness.If only her voice wasn't silenced .
I am sure though she is here somewere with us .

Good Day To You Mr Wallace.

Ed Hollett said...

"If only her voice wasn't silenced .
I am sure though she is here somewere with us."

Perhaps it is.

Perhaps she is one of the people posting anonymously here and mongering the usual pile of myths.

Perhaps she is "republican".

WJM said...

If I was in the presence of Sue Kelland-Dyer, and Sue Kelland-Dyer alone, whatever else I was in the presence of, "Greatness" would not be it.

The only thing "Great" about her is her Great Big Mouth, the one that is always spouting off on open line.

Anonymous said...

WJM - Sue has imparted more information in one session, where she has held an audience, on the relationship the province of Newfoundland and Labrador has with Canada and the resources it had to give up because of that relationship, than you have demonstrated in all your postings to this blog. Now WJM I am not saying you don't have any information, since I think you do, but you are not about to impart it here, because you are not working on behalf of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Your postings demonstrate a tendancy to favour Ottawa and Big Business.

Oh by the way wjm shouldn't your first statement in your post of June 15, 2007 5:59 PM have started with "If I were in the presence INSTEAD of If I was in the presence?

Republican said...

"The only thing "Great" about her is her Great Big Mouth, the one that is always spouting off on open line.

June 15, 2007 5:59 PM"

What confuses me ,Sir ,is the anger and resentment that I hear in your voice .Why are you so spitefull towards someone from the Province of Newfoundland that has accomplished something out-side the Province.

I have doubts that your motives in this matter are somewhat dry ,maybe ,but hey ,I'm just an ex-pat that has read and heard her work all across Canada .

Her views and thought's are shared greatly out-side the province of Newfoundland and Labrador .How do you think that I came to start reading blogs.Everybody in my circle ,Sir,knows of certain persons from the Province.

Jim Fidler( Republic Of Avalon Radio,Mary Dalton (Merry-Begot)and yes ,of course Great Big Boat (lol).

Her views on Confederation and the re-moval of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador have inspired a GREAT deal of interst in many ex-pats in Alberta,B.C,Ontario,and from ,yes,Quebec.
Alot of us support this thought because we see ourselves as a lost nation.A people ,driven from our homes by economics.We feel the loss of family everyday .Unlike yourself of course.
Having a "Home" is whats its all about.And ,I think that a lot of people in this forum forget that sometimes.Its always about Home first and formost.
But ,may I wish you the same luck that Mrs Kelland-Dyer has known in her life.

Republican said...

"Artfull dodger said...

The way I see it, is the Conservatives basically squeeked in with a minority due to the sponsorship scandal and Martin's lackluster performance"

Artfull ,I can see were you are going here .This view believe it or not is a shared view that is catching on greatly .But ,look who is starting this first.

http://bcinto.blogspot.com/

Do you know who that speaker is ,LOL.Do we really need that T-Shirt again.I think Newfoundlander's and Labradorians need to wake-up.I pray to GOD that its only a growing thing and we still have the ability to shack off this "HOME PROUD" thing from our bones and have alook around.Give the Ol'head a shack and see what is happening to our-beloved Province.
Canada must relize that we have suffered as much for this country or more even then they have.The line in the sand is drawn ,and if it has to come to this point ,hey ,maybe Canada is too exspensive for us too hold on too .

WJM said...

WJM - Sue has imparted more information in one session, where she has held an audience, on the relationship the province of Newfoundland and Labrador has with Canada and the resources it had to give up because of that relationship, than you have demonstrated in all your postings to this blog.

I don't deny for a minute that Sue talks a lot, but she spouts far more MISinformation than information.

Oh by the way wjm shouldn't your first statement in your post of June 15, 2007 5:59 PM have started with "If I were in the presence INSTEAD of If I was in the presence?

If you want to be formal, sure.

WJM said...

What confuses me ,Sir ,is the anger and resentment that I hear in your voice .

The anger and resentment is ringing in your ears, not in my voice.

Why are you so spitefull towards someone from the Province of Newfoundland that has accomplished something out-side the Province.

Who would that be?

What has SKD accomplished, inside the province, outside, or anywhere in the populated universe?

I have doubts that your motives in this matter are somewhat dry ,maybe ,but hey ,I'm just an ex-pat that has read and heard her work all across Canada .

Where else in Canada has her "work" been presented?

Alot of us support this thought because we see ourselves as a lost nation.

That's nice. You're entitled to fell however you wish to feel.

A people ,driven from our homes by economics.

Why didn't you stay and start a business?

But ,may I wish you the same luck that Mrs Kelland-Dyer has known in her life.

I'm not sure whether to thank you, or worry about "faint praise"...

Republican said...

Ed Hollett said...

"If only her voice wasn't silenced .
I am sure though she is here somewere with us."

Perhaps it is.

Perhaps she is one of the people posting anonymously here and mongering the usual pile of myths.

Perhaps she is "republican".

June 15, 2007 4:18 PM

Mr Hollett ,THANK-YOU Sir ,for such a fine complament as I may have had in my life.

But,no I am not by anymeans Mrs Kelland-Dyer.Only a Great Fan in her work.But ,please ,befor we anger Mr Higgons .I'm sure he has no wish to turn his blog into a love fest for "Our Beloved Sue."

I do have a bad habitit of getting mushy when her name is mentioned to many time's.So back to the topic of course!

Republican said...

Why are you so spitefull towards someone from the Province of Newfoundland that has accomplished something out-side the Province.

Who would that be?

What has SKD accomplished, inside the province, outside, or anywhere in the populated universe?

Well ,such the timely response I must say.

I will say Mr WJM ,wiether you choose to accept the fact or not ,Mrs Kelland-Dyer,and her opiions ,views ,and belifs are widely accepted out-side the Province.

Let me apologize if that up-sets you ,but ,I'm not here to start an arguement or a debate on Mrs Sue Kelland-Dyer,and her political beliefs.All I will say is that those that do congregate in certain circles on the internet ,from certain sights from back home ,follow her work very closely and respect her for the stance that she has taken.

If that offends you ,well I guess your outta luck.But,I hope that this doesn't effect the tone of the forum .Anyway back to the topic .

Anonymous said...

June 15th 07 7:32 p.m. post--- Please someone, pass the barf-bag, please!!!!! MUSHY, when her name is mentioned???!!!! Lord, whats next???!!!

Republican said...

Where else in Canada has her "work" been presented?

I don't wish to make anybody look or sound ignornat Mr WJM, but I do not re-side in our Great Province,I do not get to listen to VOCM,anymore.But, I still follow Mrs Kelland-Dyers work with great aspiration.

republican said...

Anonymous said...

June 15th 07 7:32 p.m. post--- Please someone, pass the barf-bag, please!!!!! MUSHY, when her name is mentioned???!!!! Lord, whats next???!!!

June 15, 2007 7:54 PM

So I'm a Big Fan,of her work ,I really don't understand what the problem is here

republican said...

Why didn't you stay and start a business?

Economics.No money to start it up.My family had thousands invested in the fishery,and couldn't get a nickel back out of it .

republican said...

Why are you so spitefull towards someone from the Province of Newfoundland that has accomplished something out-side the Province.

Who would that be

Sue???You just sound like your angery at her for something ,thats all .Did she offend you in some manner maybe

Anonymous said...

WJM you stated: "If you want to be formal, sure".

It is not only Formal but it is Correct to say "If I were in the presence of INSTEAD of "If I was in the presence of".

I thought I would correct you on this occasion because you very seldom let others off on points of bad English, especially when you are irked by the posters accuity in pointing out what is wrong with the Federation of Canada, especially when it comes to the inequal way it has treated the province of Newfoundland and Labrador compared to the rest of the provinces.

WJM said...

It is not only Formal but it is Correct to say "If I were in the presence of INSTEAD of "If I was in the presence of".

It is not incorrect to use the indicative, instead of the subjunctive, in casual discourse.

I thought I would correct you on this occasion because you very seldom let others off on points of bad English, especially when you are irked by the posters accuity in pointing out what is wrong with the Federation of Canada

I have yet to see a poster do so with "accuity".

especially when it comes to the inequal way it has treated the province of Newfoundland and Labrador compared to the rest of the provinces.

What's the "unequal" treatment?

Let me rephrase that: what's the NEGATIVELY unequal treatment? There are many ways in which NL has been treated unequally, but better, than other provinces.

WJM said...

Sue???

What has Sue accomplished outside the province, or, for that matter, inside it?

You just sound like your angery at her for something ,thats all .Did she offend you in some manner maybe

Not personally; I've never met her. In general, though, she has a nasty habit of spouting half-truths and misinformation. She has gotten away with it too long. As soon as I started asking pointed questions on her blog, she started deleting them, and then closed it down altogether.

She doesn't seem to have much strength of her convictions. If I've made her doubt some of her own mythology, maybe I've done some good.

WJM said...

I don't wish to make anybody look or sound ignornat Mr WJM, but I do not re-side in our Great Province

Just like Greg Byrne!

I do not get to listen to VOCM,anymore.But, I still follow Mrs Kelland-Dyers work with great aspiration.

How? Where does she "work" other than on the airwaves of VOCM, and, occasionally, CBC?

WJM said...

I will say Mr WJM ,wiether you choose to accept the fact or not ,Mrs Kelland-Dyer,and her opiions ,views ,and belifs are widely accepted out-side the Province.

In what medium or media does she have an audience, outside the province?

If that offends you

The only things that really offend me are lies and hypocrisy.

well I guess your outta luck.But,I hope that this doesn't effect the tone of the forum .Anyway back to the topic .

Greg Byrne, there were several more of your usual linguistic tics in this latest post from "republican".

I'll let you guess which ones they were.

republican said...

"In what medium or media does she have an audience, outside the province?"

1) the internet is a wonderful medium.Including VOCM,and CBC on-line.

"The only things that really offend me are lies and hypocrisy."

2)I don't understand this statement ,have you caught,Mrs Kelland-dyer in a Lie.

"Greg Byrne, there were several more of your usual linguistic tics in this latest post from "republican".

3)Like I said befor Mr WJM,Thank-you for your compliemen but I cannot or will not take credit for the mans work.(Although its a GREAT Blog he has)

"What has Sue accomplished outside the province, or, for that matter, inside it?"

4)Her work saving Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro from Privitization is renowned.One of the"Saving Graces "considered by many .

"As soon as I started asking pointed questions on her blog, she started deleting them, and then closed it down altogether."

5) If you have a URL to that BLOG my friend i would really appreciate a URL,I would love to read her writings once more.

"Not personally; I've never met her."

6)For not personally meeting this wonderful person ,why or how do you know so much about her.Thats what really bothers me.It sounds like you might be stocking this person.
I would like to say to you Mr WJM ,that just because we are on the internet that the Laws do not stop at your desk -top.If you are stocking someone on the internet ,that under Canadain law ,this is still considered a felonoy crime and is quire serious to say the least.
I'm not trying to say that your commiting an un-lawfull act,Im just saying be careful.I have personally seen laws-suites in Canada ,the United Staes ,and Great Britian take and hold such strong merit in their courts .

"She doesn't seem to have much strength of her convictions. If I've made her doubt some of her own mythology, maybe I've done some good."

7) An excample of this would be .

"There are many ways in which NL has been treated unequally, but better, than other provinces."

8)I do not by any means wish to de-bate this point ,but ,i have to ask it anyway.How in GOds name ,Sir,do you feel that Newfoundland and Labrador have been treated better then another Province in Canada.

http://www.statcan.ca/menu-en.htm

This governement web-site clearly shows that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada .Can you show me a URl that says otherwise maybe .

Anyway, i hope that i have presented myself a little better.

Enjoy your week-end guys and stay away from the screech,lol.

Starrigan said...

WJM, we all know that you and Crazy Eddy are a$$holes, but really, this latest nit picky thing you're doing is just beyond childish. It gives us all a good measure of your maturity level. Thanks.

Ed Hollett said...

"5) If you have a URL to that BLOG my friend I would really appreciate a URL,I would love to read her writings once more."

It used to be available to the public.

Then she shut it down, interestingly enough, at around the same time as more and more people - me included - started to question her claims.

maybe some people can still get access but it seems to be only those who already share her views. There's no opportunity for discussion or debate there, not like there ever really was. She censored comments ruthlessly to avoid having people demonstrate the wholes in her logic and her research.

WJM said...

2)I don't understand this statement ,have you caught,Mrs Kelland-dyer in a Lie.

Yip. The one which jumps to mind immediately is her promotion of the lie that federal law prohibits us from building an oil refinery.

3)Like I said befor Mr WJM,Thank-you for your compliemen but I cannot or will not take credit for the mans work.(Although its a GREAT Blog he has)

How modest of you, Greg!

4)Her work saving Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro from Privitization is renowned.One of the"Saving Graces "considered by many .

"Renowned" by whom?

5) If you have a URL to that BLOG my friend i would really appreciate a URL,I would love to read her writings once more.

I've forgotten the URL; I stopped bothering after she closed it to public scrutiny. I'm sure you still have it, though, Greg.

6)For not personally meeting this wonderful person ,why or how do you know so much about her.

Because she lives long stretches of her life on the air, or, when she lets people read her stuff, on-line. My opinion is of her public persona.

Thats what really bothers me.It sounds like you might be stocking this person.

Another typical Greg Byrne moment!

I would like to say to you Mr WJM ,that just because we are on the internet that the Laws do not stop at your desk -top.If you are stocking someone on the internet

I'm not. Nor, unlike certain other postings Myles allowed here, have I ever uttered threats.

I'm not trying to say that your commiting an un-lawfull act,Im just saying be careful.I have personally seen laws-suites in Canada ,the United Staes ,and Great Britian take and hold such strong merit in their courts .

Three more classic Greg Byrne moments! Hi, Greg Byrne!

7) An excample of this would be.

The fact that she shut her blog down to public view for starters. She doesn't stand by what she posts; otherwise she wouldn't mind it facing public scrutiny, and she wouldn't disallow postings which question her assertions of fact or conclusions.

8)I do not by any means wish to de-bate this point ,but ,i have to ask it anyway.How in GOds name ,Sir,do you feel that Newfoundland and Labrador have been treated better then another Province in Canada.

For starters: unlike the four western provinces, NL has and always has had unfettered jurisdiction over its lands and terrestrial resourcs. Unlike Quebec, it has unfettered jurisdiction over its northern landmass, namely Labrador. Unlike QC, ON, and MB in Hudson, James and Ungava Bays, NL has a seaward territorial extension. Unlike ANY OTHER province, NL has a territorial sea which has been recognized by the courts. Unlike any other coastal province other than NS, NL has joint management of its offshore petroleum industry (if you wish to drill in waters claimed by Quebec in the Gulf, you go to NRCAN in Ottawa to get permission, not to a joint fed-prov board where the province has veto power.) NL is the only province which has never, ever, lost seats in a House of Commons redistribution. No other province has ever enjoyed such a high level of federal funding in highways construction. How's that for starters?

This governement web-site clearly shows that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada .Can you show me a URl that says otherwise maybe .

You may wish to start with an URL that proves your own point, first. Which Statscan table or publication are you citing? The Statscan home page doesn't have anything, on its face, which proves the statistical point you are trying to make.

Anyway, i hope that i have presented myself a little better.

Enjoy your week-end guys and stay away from the screech,lol.

republican said...

"No other province has ever enjoyed such a high level of federal funding in highways construction. How's that for starters?"

If it has gained so much ,why is the province in so great a debt.And, if it is such a drain on the Confederaton of Canada ,why simply keep it.Why not let it go back to do its own little thing and not worry about keeping it in confederation.

Would not that then make alot of people happy.The Great Peoples RePublic of Newfoundland and of course The ever so great ,Labrador.

Now that does have a ring to it ,does it not.

Oh ,and I have yet to find referance ,Sir,that info you have left us,sorry.

republican said...

"I'm not. Nor, unlike certain other postings Myles allowed here, have I ever uttered threats."

Its must be so sad to be dis-liked by the company you keep.I feel so sorry for you .All alone up in,the Bigland.All by yourslf.With no one but,your computer to amuse you.It must be so hard .With only the love for canada to keep you going.

How tragic a Canadain hero you truely are .

WJM said...

If it has gained so much ,why is the province in so great a debt.

Because throughout the 1970s and 1980s, despite large amounts of money coming into the province from the federal government, the provincial government chose not to live within its means.

We have the debt DESPITE the benefits of fiscal federalism, not BECAUSE of them.

And, if it is such a drain on the Confederaton of Canada ,why simply keep it.Why not let it go back to do its own little thing and not worry about keeping it in confederation.

Would not that then make alot of people happy.


Maybe in the rest of Canada, which would benefit. In Newfoundland - not Newfoundland and Labrador, since Labrador wouldn't secede - not so much.

The Great Peoples RePublic of Newfoundland and of course The ever so great ,Labrador.

Peoples Republic? So it would be officially communist? That oughta turn Danny's crank.

Now that does have a ring to it ,does it not.

Oh ,and I have yet to find referance ,Sir,that info you have left us,sorry.


You go first: show us proof that "Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada".

Thank you.

republican said...

You go first: show us proof that "Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada".

Thank you.

June 17, 2007 12:48 AM

Well I was trying to mind my manners .Speaking to a fellow country-men of course.I was hoping that you could aswnwer the questions in the order they were stated and keep on the topic of conversion.

But , I thought that while I find that info for you Mr wallace,i thought that you might like to watch a post by made by the CBC.Great stuff on the opinoins shared by alot of people.

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-1750-11992/science_technology/hydro/clip5

Enjoy.

republican said...

"And, if it is such a drain on the Confederaton of Canada ,why simply keep it.Why not let it go back to do its own little thing and not worry about keeping it in confederation.

Would not that then make alot of people happy.

Maybe in the rest of Canada, which would benefit. In Newfoundland - not Newfoundland and Labrador, since Labrador wouldn't secede - not so much."

This is how we are treated anywere in the country,yet another fine excample of canadas way to fairness and justice.Divide and conquer.If we cannot control it to rape it,then no body can have it .Thank you Mr Wallace for that fine excample of true Canadain Values.you been a great help getting my point across.

And your sure that your not here to install fear into the hearts of those hat are trying to stand up for themselves.Not a good excample Mr Wallace.

WJM said...

Well I was trying to mind my manners .Speaking to a fellow country-men of course.I was hoping that you could aswnwer the questions in the order they were stated and keep on the topic of conversion.

If you want to keep to order, YOU are the one who first stated "the province of Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada."

So, prove it. You are worried about the order of things? Prove your assertion first.

Prove it.

But , I thought that while I find that info for you Mr wallace,i thought that you might like to watch a post by made by the CBC.Great stuff on the opinoins shared by alot of people.

I look forward to your info! See, was that so hard?

WJM said...

If we cannot control it to rape it,then no body can have it .

You just described Danny The Communist Williams' approach to energy development.

Unlike Quebec, PEI, Ontario, and Alberta, which are encouraging private-sector wind energy, and raking in billions in private capital, Danny has told this industry to take a hike. He killed a $2-billion proposal in Labrador, because if Danny couldn't have it, no one else could, either.

And in Quebec, they are opening up small-scale hydro projects to private investment in partnership with local communities. In Labrador, Danny and his State Energy Company refuse to allow this, even though it could get coastal Labrador off of diesel dependency.

If Danny can't control it, no one can have it.

What a hypocrite.

NL-ExPatriate said...

And lo, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians led all the rest


Cross Examination by Averill Baker
The Charter
The last line in the poem Abou Ben Adam reads, “And Lo Ben Adam’s name led all the rest.” Amen.
Figures were released three weeks ago identifying the provinces that contribute the most to the Canadian economy in exports to foreign countries and lo Newfoundlanders and Labradorians led all the rest – again. But, this time, it’s in spades, as the gamblers say, with the one-eyed-jack-of-diamonds-and-the-devil-close-behind way.
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians now contribute more to the Canadian economy per capita than any other Canadians to such a remarkable degree that it makes one feel sympathy toward Canadians from other provinces.
Other Canadians who look at these recent figures must feel embarrassed that Newfoundlanders are, in economic terms, contributing so much more than they are to the Canadian economy.
Canadians in Ontario and Alberta must feel like they’re on unemployment insurance with Newfoundlanders paying the bill. Quebecers and Maritimers must feel they are on welfare with Newfoundlanders paying the bill.
In economic terms each Newfoundlander is now worth four Canadians from other provinces.
It’s becoming embarrassing.
And what is just as embarrassing is that historically, since 1949, this province, on average, on a per capita basis, has led all other Canadians in contributions to the Canadian economy.
Of course, the billion dollars of power that we export indirectly to the United States shows up as Quebec’s power on the official figures. That’s one billion dollars of exports that must be taken from the Quebec column and counted as coming from this province.
Oh yeah, says the economist, we lead every other province on a per person basis with just over a half a million people - of course Newfoundlanders and Labradorians lead the rest of Canada. Also we have always exported practically everything we produce - wood, pulp and paper, minerals, fish, and now oil. That is why we have always contributed more to the Canadian economy than any other Canadians on a per capita basis.
And that is why some people sometimes suggest that we would have been better off had we not joined Canada or if we were today to separate from Canada. On the economic yardstick this province is in a far better position to separate and print its own money – just like we did prior to joining Canada.
The Export Development Corporation in releasing its figures last month claimed that this province is now exporting about $4 billion of crude oil to the United States. It points out that Statistics Canada figures, used by the provincial government, are incorrect.
Those incorrect figures, used by provincial governments and Ottawa, show that most of our exports of crude oil are going to other Canadian provinces for refining. The Export Development Corporation claims in their end of July report that in fact most of our crude is being shipped to the United States for refining and not to Canadian refineries. I believe the Export Development Corporation.
Together with the power through Quebec, these adjustments are necessary to get to the truth about our exports to foreign nations.
Some of our offshore crude and all of Voisey’s Bay nickel are shipped within Canada for processing and cannot be counted in values of exports. Voisey’s Bay nickel and Duck Pond copper and zinc, and iron ore, will lead exports of minerals next year. Where is Duck Pond you might ask? It’s around Trout Pond, which is next to a smaller pond called Goose Pond.
The Newfoundland separatist makes a valid point in saying that if we were not a part of Canada all of our exports would be to foreign nations.
Then look at the fantastic economic position we would be in.
Maybe Major Peter Cashin and Malcolm Hollett were right in 1948.
The only thing missing today is the quality of politician we had years ago - from the records of the National Convention and Hansard, quality politicians like Peter Cashin, Malcolm Hollett, Gordon Bradley, Joey Smallwood, James Chaulker, Dr. Jim McGrath, Dr. Fred Rowe, Bill Rowe, Charlie Ballam, C. Max Lane, Ed Roberts, John Crosbie, James McGrath, Clyde Wells, Nathaniel Noel, Bill Marshall, Dr. Noel Murphy, Ambrose Peddle, Jack Pickersgill, Dr. Frecker, Tom Hickey, John Lundrigan, Jim Morgan etc. etc.
Yes, today we do have some outstanding politicians, like Danny Williams, but they are like hen’s teeth – they’re hard to find.

republican said...

WJM said...

Well I was trying to mind my manners .Speaking to a fellow country-men of course.I was hoping that you could aswnwer the questions in the order they were stated and keep on the topic of conversion.

If you want to keep to order, YOU are the one who first stated "the province of Newfoundland and Labrador contribute 4 times the amount to confederation then any citizen,in any province in Canada."

So, prove it. You are worried about the order of things? Prove your assertion first.

Prove it.

Well ,i think that i have been too slow to the punch.I believe that NL-ExPatriate said... it best ,if you would care to follow what that gentlemen said, or is that me rather,writing to myself.

I think that someone is running out of common sence here.

Thank-you ex-pat ,I was looking for that article.

Again Mr Wallace,I think that it wold be best if we didn't carry on this conversion anymore.You are entitled to your opinoin as I am too mine.Good day to you .

Anonymous said...

who stole this guys meds ,WJM,you suck!!!

WJM said...

That's funny... Averill Baker, as is her usual style, makes a lot of claims, but doesn't back them up with a single statistic.

Why's that, I wonder?

You would think a statement like, "And what is just as embarrassing is that historically, since 1949, this province, on average, on a per capita basis, has led all other Canadians in contributions to the Canadian economy." would have a figure attached to it.

But nope.

I do know, for a fact, that NL has NEVER led Canada in terms of per-capita mineral production. Its highest annual rank, since 1961 (the stats back to 1949 don't actually exist, at least not in their current form) has been second place. It's not been unusual for the province to be fourth or fifth, measured per-capita.

In absolute amount, NL's mineral productions ranks seventh. Some years it's as high as 6th, and it has dropped to eight in others. But it averages seventh. Which is exactly where it ranks in terms of land mass.

Until Voisey's Bay, it wasn't at all unusual for NB to have a more valuable mineral industry than NL.

WJM said...

Averill Baker makes the "four times" claim... but she doesn't back it up with the statistics.

Why's that?

Anyway, let's assume it's true, for the sake of argument.

What are the implications?

Does Newfoundland then owe Labrador, big time?

After all, with only about 5.3% of the provincial population, Labrador has abou 98% of the province's mineral output. That means Labrador's contribution, per-capita, to the provincial economy, at least measured by mineral output, is nearly 900 times that of Newfoundland's!

Newfoundlanders must feel they are on welfare with Labradorians paying the bill!

Right?

Right?

WJM said...

Thank-you ex-pat ,I was looking for that article.

And both of you found it! Greg, I know it's you; you can cut the charade any time you like.

republican said...

WJM said...

Thank-you ex-pat ,I was looking for that article.

And both of you found it! Greg, I know it's you; you can cut the charade any time you like.

June 17, 2007 4:59 PM

Well I can say that compliments will get you no were Mr WJM ,but I feel that my words would go un-checked and would not be takem with a grian of salt.So I will be e-mailing Mr Locke over at his Blog to let him know excactly what is transpiring over here.

As to your question;

"Does Newfoundland then owe Labrador, big time?"

yes it does,and Labrador owes newfounldnad big time.You will never create a division in that family .Labrador owns newfoundland ,and newfounland owns Labrador,they are one and the same.

"see what happens when we embrace them as our brothers.The knife of deception has been punched thru our skin - Sir Thomas Pain"

Ed Hollett said...

Too bad Republican didn't do some searching for quotes from Thomas Paine (with the "e" on the end).

The American republican said a number of things that would perhaps have given this self-proclaimed republican a few ideas on how his comments are going astray.

For example:

"It is an affront to treat falsehood with complaisance."

The self-described republican here seems to embrace false statements as if they were truth. Indeed that is not an act of complacence, but it is hardly edifying.

"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry."

Inquiry - the act of questioning and sekking out factual answers - seems to be an alien idea for the self-described republican of these comments.

Error prevails, as a result.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."

Only immoderate temper would lead someone to accuse another of being a Judas or to toss out comments on a Nazi extermination camp.

Then again, there is no a small measure of irony in the number of comments on this blog that promote ethnic nationalism, while the header for the blog quotes a man who argued vehemently against ethnic nationalism.

What else might one expect, except that quotes are used selectively by some whether they be from comedians or from American patriots (with an "e" in his name)

republican said...

oh ,....please.

Ed Hollett said...

Thanks for acknowledging on the other thread you used an inappropriate reference to a Nazi extermination camp, even though you initially denied it.

WJM said...

Well I can say that compliments will get you no were Mr WJM ,but I feel that my words would go un-checked and would not be takem with a grian of salt.So I will be e-mailing Mr Locke over at his Blog to let him know excactly what is transpiring over here.

That should be a long internal monologue.

yes it does,and Labrador owes newfounldnad big time.

What does Labrador owe to Newfoundland, and how did it contract this debt?

You will never create a division in that family

Too late! Nationalist Newfoundlanders have already done that.

Labrador owns newfoundland ,and newfounland owns Labrador,they are one and the same.

Tell that to the Strait of Belle Isle!

WJM said...
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repiblican said...

with no nudge from you ,naw ,not in anyway.some people should put that rats ass back -up here .You nationals are right.Thy will stretch it down too thier knees.

I hope that you rememeber this ,and have copied it dowm.your bed is just as bad.I have found out what others mean by you two .Good-Luck.

Anonymous said...

The person who made the statement "Tell that to the Strait of Belle Isle"!

Good Grief what an inane statement?
Does Ottawa ever monitor those, to whom they are paying our hard earned tax dollars, to write such crazy statements?

By hiring people to make such statements Ottawa

republican said...

Thease two guys can stretch thier version of reality to demensions i never knew existed.

Your both completely delusional and your nature of debate is crude too say the least.What some people take on simple fact ,you wish to excercise the full extent of what most would just call commomn sence.

I do not for one minute think that those people here that speak with nationalist intentions are not angery ,but like a true Canadain you show up bringing a Helicopter Gunship to a Knife fight.

And that can easily been seen .Good-Bye.

Anonymous said...

THE POST ABOVE GOT POSTED INCOMPLETE.

The person who made the statement "Tell that to the Strait of Belle Isle"!

Good Grief what an inane statement?
Does Ottawa ever monitor those, to whom they are paying our hard earned tax dollars, to write such crazy statements?

By hiring people to make such statements Ottawa is causing a great deal of strife for itself.

I remember seeing a list of Contracts that Ottawa gave out money for a while back, so as to give people a job. It was an obscene list and now we have people here on this blogsite paid to spew out such nonsense. What a childish minded government which resides in Ottawa? How did we ever get tangled up with that establishment?

republican said...

June 18, 2007 12:19 AM - thank you for pointing out.

this is completely crude and totally un-called for .you do your nation and your people great shame.May you learn respect someday to see that God has given us humility for a reason.

you go too far.

WJM said...

Good Grief what an inane statement?

Ending a sentence with a question mark: a classic, classic, Greg Byrne habit.

What's inane about pointing out the obvious fact, that Newfoundland and Labrador are two separate landmasses, separated by the Strait of Belle Isle, and therefore NOT "one and the same"?

WJM said...

I remember seeing a list of Contracts that Ottawa gave out money for a while back, so as to give people a job.

Where did you see this list?

It was an obscene list and now we have people here on this blogsite paid to spew out such nonsense.

Is it also obscene, the money which the provincial government spends on monitoring and skewing the open line shows? Why or why not?

What a childish minded government which resides in Ottawa?

Hi, Greg! You weren't very anonymous when you were posting as "anonymous", and you're not anonymous now, either.

Ed Hollett said...

Republican wrote:

"but like a true Canadain you show up bringing a Helicopter Gunship to a Knife fight."

Nonsense.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I expect simple courtesy, like say not posting under a pseudonym or as "anonymous". By posting as "republican" or as anonymous, all you do is insult the intelligence of everyone who reads the blog.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I extend courtesy - like dealing with rude, childish people who normally wouldn't deserve any attention at all.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I don't impart motives to people without evidence.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I expect an argument based on facts and credible information, not ranting, raving drivel and a string of personal insults. I expect some give and take and I certain don't shrink from a simple disagreement.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I expect some respect for the history of my province and its people. I believe we are all diminished when people spread mistaken information, especially when that information has been shown to be incorrect.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I respect other Newfoundlanders whose families died in the Holocaust and those Newfoundlanders who fought to eradicate the horrors of racially based nationalism form the face of the Earth.

I certainly wouldn't raise the spectre of Naziism as a cheap shot and I certainly wouldn't scurry away once confronted with it.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I know that I can succeed in any fair debate based solely on my abilities and my intelligence. Scurrying away never occurred to me as an option.

republican, you have simply given renewed reason to continue to challenge every single untrue statement made on this blog.

Like a true Newfoundlander, I wouldn't want it to be said for one second that people who present the sort of argument you and your buddies offer up speak for any more Newfoundlanders than yourselves.

Republican wrote:

"you go too far."

No, sir.

You go too far and you have gone too far, too many times. Raising the spectre of a Nazi extermination camp in the context of this discussion remains grossly inappropriate

At least have the integrity to acknowledge a mistake.

Any true Newfoundlander would.

Anonymous said...

One such contract was worth a Million Dollars and it was given out by Ottawa to a move producer, to produce a Movie on a Hockey Player from Quebec.

Another one was given out on chewing gum.

Anonymous said...

The hockey player was Rocket Richard. And it was a silly contract to be funded by Ottawa with an insane price tag, especialy when money is needed in so many places for much more important things.

Anonymous said...

Please do not forget the Women immigrants from Romania and other countries in Eastern Europe who were brought in because of a lack of "Pole Dancers" or was it "Strippers or Sex Workers" in Canada, but as we learned from a CBC documentary a couple of weeks ago, the Girls ended up in some cases as Sex Slaves for the sicko minds of the pervert men of Canada. This group of immigrants have cost the Federal Government millions of dollars and before the story is fully told, I suspect it will have cost the Canadian Government hundreds of millions of dollars. Lives have been ruined in that debacle that was dreamed up by the someone in the Ottawa Federal Government.

Ottawa is not as innocent as we were led to believe for so many years?

Anonymous said...

Ottawa is not as innocent as we were led to believe for so many years?

June 18, 2007 11:24 AM

the recent news has shown canadains how the liberail governement had involvement in manipulating the vote count in the 95 quebec referendum .

The media in canada has shown how the provincal governement in Ontario covered-up a public inquiry ,into the ipperwash affair.

Now seeing what has transpired with my time on this blog site does make me think.the fact is you really dont know .And seeing what some will go to to make sure that thier point does get across and thiers alone,it really has me thinking .Is there any truth here.

Salu

republican said...

Mr Hollett going back over my day spent here on this blog shows one thing .

if I did not make myself clear .Then I admit my fault.If I did not provide clear information to my points ,then I except my short comings .

the writings are there and I will be judged on how people percieve those writtings .
Was i the first to make referance to nazi camps ,absolutley not .I believe that the first person to do so was a gentlman by the name of WJM, someone that you align yourself with here on this blog .

when i would not reveal who I was
nerves were freyed and things were spoken out of turn.

since it is clear Mr Hollett that the conversion between us has turned into something I fear that is very ugley,I will simply concede the debate.

If my making referance to a character name has offended you to that point then I do not wish to make commnets on your writtings and I would hope that you as well could show the same respect to a fellow Newfoundlander.

If this is not the case and you wish to hurl insults at my person then so be it,hurl away.But ,i would like to state that I am not the people that you or your associate has pointed out and I will not pretend to be someone or something that i am not.

you my stae your point ,if you are capable ,and i will stae mine if i am capable.

I can see that we do not share the same feelings about this country or our province.But,until I am stoppped by the owner from posting I feel I would like to stay and make a comment when I can.If that is under this handle or be it as anonymous ,that is for me and me alone to decide.

Salu

WJM said...

This group of immigrants have cost the Federal Government millions of dollars

How?

and before the story is fully told, I suspect it will have cost the Canadian Government hundreds of millions of dollars.

HUNDREDS of millions?

No wonder the provincial finances are in such bad condition, if people have no concept of a million.

WJM said...

The media in canada has shown how the provincal governement in Ontario covered-up a public inquiry ,into the ipperwash affair.

What does that have to do with the federal government?

WJM said...

I believe that the first person to do so was a gentlman by the name of WJM

Prove it or retract it, Greg.

Myles? Where are you?

Ed Hollett said...

WJM:

That comment struck me odd as well, since the comment wasn't made by you at all.

The other comment that used it was by one of the famous anony-slaggers.

Anonymous said...

and before the story is fully told, I suspect it will have cost the Canadian Government hundreds of millions of dollars.

WJM SAID: HUNDREDS of millions?

Yes there will, no doubt, be law suits down the road and there will have to be payments made to these immigrants for messing up their lives. And as you know each immigrant who comes to this country costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars.

There were hundreds of people involved in the debacle of which I mentioned.

I will cite another figure you denied and I know it has nothing to do with the above incident, but don't forget the Air India terrorism tragedy has cost the Federal Government upwards now of $150 million dollars for court costs. You already denied that to be true WJM and I provided you the information in an article that was printed by CBC. It was printed on this blogsite a few months ago.

WJM said...

Yes there will, no doubt, be law suits down the road and there will have to be payments made to these immigrants for messing up their lives.

Hundreds of millions worth?

And as you know each immigrant who comes to this country costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars.

How many thousands?

What does the country benefit?

What's the net result of the transaction?

I will cite another figure you denied and I know it has nothing to do with the above incident, but don't forget the Air India terrorism tragedy has cost the Federal Government upwards now of $150 million dollars for court costs.

And?

You already denied that to be true WJM

Where and when?

WJM said...

Was i the first to make referance to nazi camps ,absolutley not .I believe that the first person to do so was a gentlman by the name of WJM, someone that you align yourself with here on this blog .

Greg Byrne, are you prepared to retract that statement yet, you coward?

Anonymous said...

Labrador owns newfoundland ,and newfounland owns Labrador,they are one and the same.

Tell that to the Strait of Belle Isle!

June 17, 2007 10:48 PM - divide and conquer.

splatter the messes ,divide and conquer.

This is coming from soeone who promotes the whole of canada.From someone that works with one of the magor partys in this country.And we as canadains wonder why we have a separtion party in Quebec,Alberta,and had one in Newfoundland and Labrador .

No wonder why people are taking action and forming political organiztions such as the Atlantica Party ,just in case.

Thease individauls do nothing to promote goodness ,but would rather see division only to have poor people pay for thier lifestyle.

If I had any information regarding this guys employeer in Labrador ,I would love to give him a telephone call and fax thease statements to any party or political stripe .

"Greg Byrne, are you prepared to retract that statement yet, you coward?

June 18, 2007 3:40 PM - this delusional ,manic ranting is beneath even me.I wold love to be someone involved in pushing your buttons friend .You have some pretty bad issues to work out ,so dont let me slow you down.

And for the last time IDIOT ,IM NOT GREG BRRNE ,holy.........this guy is bad enough to put you on nerve pills,how do you guys do it .

But hey let me shut you up for just five minutes ,and step-up and say that im sorry I ever got involved in this discusion.Did you hear that ,i apologise for what ever any body has ever said bad to you in your life.But,again I have to tell you that Its not coming from Greg Bryne.Im sure that he is far to smart to be caught up in this web of propaganda ,lies and intolerant rants of maddness coming from this Blog.

But,let me say that right now ,Im off to read his work and maybe even make some comnets on that Blog,or maybe NL-Expats Blog.They dont have a pyscho path stalking them,Goodluck Mr Higgons ,your going to need it.

Ed Hollett said...

"this delusional ,manic ranting is beneath even me."

That's what anonymous umpteen or re-publican wrote about his/her own stuff.

Frankly, I'd never say your posts were manic, delusional ranting, but hey if that's what you think of yourself, I'll accept your judgement.

Thanks for acknowledging it.

But surely you didn't have to add the description of yourself to the rest of the blog as well when you said: "Im sure that he is far to smart to be caught up in this web of propaganda ,lies and intolerant rants of maddness coming from this Blog."

I may disagree with patriot and plenty of the people who comment here, but to call it a web of propaganda, lies and intolerant rants of madness?

Really, that's a bit too much.

Anonymous said...

and the character of Mr ed Hollett shows -up.another Liar and low-life.Well like I said befor ,you are the company you keep,so I guess that an arm pit hangs with an arm pit.

I would like this noted Mr Hollett ,that when you had the choice of showing us an excample of your character you choose to fall to the level that you have.This shows us that you are indeed a person of low moral standing.

Ed Hollett said...

"This shows us that you are indeed a person of low moral standing."

To the latest anonyslagger, let me say simply this:

if insisting on having some evidence for a belief as opposed to fantasy, delusion or other fabrication is a low moral character, then I am glad I do not work on the same standards you seem to favour.

If insulting people while hiding behind a cowards cloak of anonymity is high moral character, then please call me debased.

I should never hope to be as cowardly as you have been in the latest post (and perhaps countless others).

Reveal your identity and make the same comments.

I didn't think you would.

WJM said...

No wonder why people are taking action and forming political organiztions such as the Atlantica Party ,just in case.

What's the Atlantica Party?

"Greg Byrne, are you prepared to retract that statement yet, you coward?

Well, are you?

Where and when did I make reference to Nazis or concentration camps or "Chamel"?

And for the last time IDIOT ,IM NOT GREG BRRNE ,holy.........this guy is bad enough to put you on nerve pills,how do you guys do it.

You might not be, but "Republican" is...

Im sure that he is far to smart to be caught up in this web of propaganda ,lies and intolerant rants of maddness coming from this Blog.

... but you probably are: you've used a whole bunch more Byrne-isms in this latest posting.

But,let me say that right now ,Im off to read his work and maybe even make some comnets on that Blog,or maybe NL-Expats Blog.

Greg Byrne IS NL-expat(riate).

They dont have a pyscho path stalking them,Goodluck Mr Higgons ,your going to need it.

More Byrne-isms.

Anonymous said...

debased!!!

Anonymous said...

WJM said...

I believe that the first person to do so was a gentlman by the name of WJM

Prove it or retract it, Greg.

Myles? Where are you?

June 18, 2007 12:41 PM- OH Mr WALLACE,I have you in "My Favorites" NOW!!!How can I just let you GO!!!

"YELL LOUDER WALLACE " - MYLES WERE ARE YOU!!!

Anonymous said...

Tricolour don't-push-us flag gains popularity in Newfoundland and Labrador
Posted 2005-10-12
By MARK QUINN
Wednesday, October 12, 2005 Posted at 4:13 AM EDT
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
St. John's, Newfoundland What started as a lark has grown into a full-fledged movement to replace Newfoundland and Labrador's provincial flag with a traditional, more rebellious one.
The idea gained momentum recently when Premier Danny Williams endorsed it.
Newfoundland nationalists have flown the pink-white-and-green since before the province joined Confederation.
In late May, four young men climbed the hills across the harbour from downtown St. John's and raised it again.
Twenty-one-year-old Greg Pike was one of them.
"Initially we did it for a laugh. The long weekend was coming up and we wanted to do something to challenge ourselves," said Mr. Pike, a university student in St. John's. "It caught many people's attention."
Mr. Pike says it felt right and after a discussion at a downtown bar, the group took it a step further.
"Someone suggested an on-line petition. I loved the idea and went for it," he said.
"It seemed to explode through word of mouth and now it's gathering all sorts of favourable attention."
More than 1,600 people have signed the petition. Recently, when reporters asked Mr. Williams if he supports adopting the pink- white-and-green as the provincial flag, the Premier replied: "From a personal perspective, I have that preference."
He says he doesn't feel as strongly about this issue as he did when he ordered Canadian flags removed from provincial buildings last year, a move many believe helped to put pressure on Ottawa to rewrite the Atlantic accord and sign over more than $2-billion in offshore oil revenues to the province.
"I have a personal leaning, but I would have to [gauge] the will of the people. It would be premature to say how we would do that."
Government officials say Mr. Williams hasn't discussed this proposal with all cabinet or caucus members yet. He told reporters that if a majority of government members oppose the change he won't push for it.
Mr. Pike says that whether Mr. Williams supports it or not, the pink-white-and-green isn't going away. It's already proved to have impressive staying power.
It is popularly believed that the "Newfoundland tricolour" was originally designed during the 19th century to make peace between competing Irish and English sealers in St. John's.
As the story goes, Bishop Michael Fleming created the flag using a white handkerchief to join a pink flag, representing the English rose, with a green flag, representing the Irish shamrock.
In the 1940s, people who objected to Newfoundland joining Canada raised it.
A few weeks ago, Mr. Pike and the original flag-raising crew replaced the flag on South Side Hills with a slightly larger, 16-foot version.
This fall, the tricolour is increasingly appearing above homes and businesses in St. John's.
Mr. Pike says as far as he's concerned, it's not about taking Newfoundland and Labrador out of Canada.
"To me it is a sign of hope and strength for our future. I feel it is a symbol of a new attitude that Newfoundlanders and Labradoreans have taken on; an attitude that says we are not going to be pushed around any more," Mr. Pike said. "This campaign is not about separation. This campaign is about changing our current geometrical mess of a flag into something meaningful for our province."
After joining Canada, Newfoundland flew the British Union Jack. In the late 1970s, artist Christopher Pratt was commissioned to design a new provincial flag. Adopted in 1980, it retains the colours and a series of triangles, that are reminiscent of the old Union Jack, and a gold arrow meant to point to a promising future.
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NL-ExPatriate said...

What the hell are you getting on with Wally?

I never made no such statement either under my nik or as an anon.

I don't even read your comments. You are person none Grata in my books and not worthy of my time or effort to read your comments and especially not your blog.

Ah yes so why am I responding to this comment. Well I saw my name in your post while scrolling past it and read that little bit.

Sorry all for taking Wally's bait to side track the conversation as is his usual modus operandi.

WJM said...

I never made no such statement either under my nik or as an anon.

I don't even read your comments.


Obviously you do!

Why do you and "republican" consistently mis-spell the same words?

WJM said...

You are person none Grata in my books and not worthy of my time or effort to read your comments and especially not your blog.

Oddly enough, my statcounter shows regular hits from Sackville, New Brunswick...

Anonymous said...

Oddly enough, my statcounter shows regular hits from Sackville, New Brunswick...

June 20, 2007 4:38 PM - Google owns that server you Fool ,that information is restricted.But if it isnt why dont I phone -up Google right now and ask them why they are letting my personal info out over the inetrnet.Hey there might be a lawsuite in this ,PLEASE!!!!!lol.

WJM said...

Google owns that server you Fool

Not according to my stats...

Anonymous said...

Liar!!!Just go over and ask them,lol !!! What an Idiot!!!



Republic Of ForEver!!!

atlanticaparty said...

What's the Atlantica Party?

Simple.
We are a new provincial political party operating in Atlantic Canada. (We are not associated with the Atlantica free trade thing). We want political and electoral reform. You can check us out at www.atlanticaparty.ca (we are upgrading our policy statements currently) or email us at info@atlanticaparty.ca

Cheers,

Jonathan Dean
Leader
The Atlantica Party