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Thursday, October 12, 2006

Canada to Abandon Military Defense of Newfoundland and Labrador

A recent senate committee report has characterized the air base at Goose Bay Labrador as a “Boondoggle” and claims it has no military value for Canada. The report suggests that the Canadian government should walk away from the base instead of proceeding with its plan to deploy a 650 person rapid response team at the site and it uses a multitude of colorful language when speaking of just how useless the place is to the nation. In addition to its attack on the base itself, the report also says government should not continue with its plans to its purchase icebreakers for the Canadian navy to be used in arctic and Northern patrols.

Is it just me or does this sound like a very short sighted recommendation by a bunch of central Canadian bureaucrats with their heads firmly lodged someplace the sun hasn’t ever shined? Perhaps I’m wrong, perhaps instead this report is the result of some heavy behind the scenes lobbing by MPs, special interest groups or even military bases in other parts of the Country that would prefer the money went their way. Either way it’s a sad day for Canada.

At a public forum in St. John’s this week the senate committee members who attended were asked what this would mean for Canada’s ability to defend its Eastern most border, which stretches all the way from the southern tip of Newfoundland, along the coast of Labrador and up into the Arctic. The response was that Canada could not afford to protect this area. Nothing more, nothing less but simply that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, which essentially makes up the entire eastern flank of the nation, was on its own.

This is nothing new of course since there has essentially been no military presence in the province for years and aside from the obligatory fly in during election campaigns the entire area has all but been abandoned by Ottawa.

The brain trust in Ottawa has apparently decided that since the fall of the Soviet Union, the only areas of concern are nations on the Pacific side of our continent and therefore there is no need to defend our Atlantic borders. They’ve determined that there is no need to protect against invasion or attack from the east and no need to protect our Arctic regions.

Never mind that as the North West Passage continues to thaw it becomes easier for vessels to take advantage of Canadian waters. It doesn’t matter because without a presence there we won’t even notice.

Never mind that foreign vessels are raping our fishing grounds on the East coast every day because if we don’t have a presence off our shores we won’t notice that either.

Never mind that rogue nations such as North Korea now have nuclear capabilities, which if combined with their known intercontinental missiles, would allow them to attack the U.S. via an Arctic flight route. It doesn’t matter because by the time anyone notices the missiles coming it will be too late to worry about anything except what position you would prefer to have your corpse found in.

There are two North American gateways to the arctic. One is through the Pacific via Alaska and the other is through the Atlantic via Labrador. I wonder how the American government feels about protecting its gateway? I also wonder about the mentality of any government that would even consider a report like the one this senate committee has produced, not to mention the senators who actually produced it.

Where on earth will you find another nation that couldn’t care less about protecting two of its three most vulnerable borders from potential attack? While the Western coast of Canada has a viable military presence, the Eastern most coastline and the Arctic region does not. Can someone tell me, where but Canada would a member of the senate actually tell the citizens of one of its Country’s provinces that the nation can’t afford to protect them militarily, that they don’t plan on trying and that the province is on its own?

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

OH MY GOD!!

There is NO END to the topics that Newfoundlanders love to whine about. Poor us!! No one loves us.
I hate admitting to people that I am from here.
Blah blah....blah blah... blah blah.

Steve said...

I would hate for you to admit you are from here as well. It's people like you, who think it's just fine for Canada to decide that its east coast is not worth the effort to defend, that give the rest of us a bad name.

How long have you been working for the Conservative party anyway. I hope they're paying you enough for selling out your province.

Anonymous said...

What is the purpose of the Canadian military?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I mean what is the purpose if not to defend Canada and Canadian interests? To do good deeds around the world? Really? I don't see how people get caught up in that--not with experience slapping them in the face every day.
If NL were a separate country, would Canada then send the military to help them? (Maybe if more NL farmers planted poppies you could get some help.)

Anonymous said...

Newsflash THE COLD WAR IS OVER!

Why on earth would or should Canada send CF personnel to that isolated place when it already has bases in Ontatio, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Alberta, Quebec and so on. You newfies believe the world owes you something, Canada doesn't need that boondoggle anymore, get over it and move on.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you something Canada owes us a lot. After all they have depleted our fish for God only knows what, SINCE THEY HAVE THE QUOTAS IN THEIR HANDS and since they have allowed so many countries to be fishing off our coast. They have 8 per cent EQUITY of our OIL in their possession. They didn't intervene on the Upper Churchill Hydro development to see that we obtained a corridor to conduct the power to market, and Quebec became the beneficiary of that multi-billion dollar industry. Two cities Sudbury, Ontario and Thompson, Manitoba got our Nickel to be smelted for the next 15 years. You can be damn-well sure that Ottawa had its hands in that one. Ottawa has 10 per cent of our men and women to staff its Armed forces, AND we give Canada its complete Eastern Flank. That in itself is nothing to sneeze about. Also why wouldn't you protect your complete territory from one side to the other. The Western side is taken care off very well. We live in the other strategic location, the extreme East Coast. This is crazy to think that Canada would stop at Nova Scotia. In fact it is sheer stupidity and outrageous.

And you bigot please refrain from calling us Newfies. The N word to describe us is no different than the N word used to describe African Americans, I bet and hope you wouldn't use that word. It is about time that the Human Rights department took this issue up and sorted it out once and for all.

You moron the isolated place you talk about that shouldn't have CF personnel was used by Ottawa to protect you during the September 2001 attack. Where did Canada order all the flights to be landed, just in case there were terrorists on board who wanted to create more havoc and destruction? Yes it was Newfoundland and Labrador that had to take the risk to keep Central Canada safe.

Edgar said...

Good article but I am a little confused. You have shown a tendency to bash Harper's military inclinations in past articles for aligning himself with GW (Bush/Harper analogy) but seem to be saying in this article that military spending is OK as long as it benefits NL.

This is a recommendation by a socialist Liberal weighted senate against a right of center Conservative govt. which seems to want to do what you are arguing for. Maybe if you and your 'select' group of NL'ers were to come out and, God forbid, praise Harper for wanting to expand HVGB militarily it may help. But this free market capitalist won't hold his breath awaiting a nationalist marxist/leninist socialist to compliment a neo-con.

Hope all you wanna-be leftist guerillas (er, freedom fighters) have a great weekend!

Anonymous said...

In response to post #6 by anonymous, what does all that nonsense (fish, oil, hydro...blah blah blah)have to do with Goose Bay? Once again you blame all your problems on somebody else...boo hoo hoo.

Maybe if your best and brightest didn't bug out for other parts of Canada and the world (who can blame them), you might be able to create an vibrant economy in newfoundland. face it dude, your only salvation is the generosity of Canada, in other words don't bite the hand that feeds you!

By the way, the majority of the aircraft landed in Halifax on 9/11. The Americans made sure that Condi thanked them (mostly) for their help on that tragic day. It is so dam pathetic that you in newfoundland want to constantly be admired for your small role on 9/11. Big deal I say.

Patriot said...

I sometimes find it strange how people read between the lines and mis-interpret comments. Edgar says:

"... seem to be saying in this article that military spending is OK as long as it benefits NL"

I don't know where that came from. I am not advocating military spending simply because it might benifit NL (although in this case it would). I'm simply saying that for any nation to leave it's entire eastern flank with no military presence is idiotic. Even if Manitoba was running completely up and down the east coast of the country I'd say the same thing. Just as it would be foolish to remove all military presence from BC it is the same here.

Anonymous said...

You would not say the same thing Patriot. All you care about is Newfieland.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong there Anon, the majority of aircraft and people landed in Gander, St. John's and Goose Bay. Please check it out.

Anonymous said...

I rather think that the Anon above, Who wrote "Newsflash THE COLD WAR IS OVER!" is a Newfoundlander. Since I would consider someone from elsewhere in Canada who would write such nonsense to be so ungrateful and so unappreciative. If this poster is from some other part of Canada, it is plain to see that politicians haven't apprised the Canadian population of what resources Newfoundland and Labrador contributed over the past 57 years, amd again its strategic position. It goes to reason a part of Canada that is on its extreme periphery is more important than something that is more central. This person's writings make me want to give up my Canadian citizenship immediately. SICKENING! SICKENING! and to boot this person is a no brainer.

I consider my citizenship to have been imposed upon me by a country who only wanted to bestow upon itself its complete Eastern Strategic Flank and then steal our resources. I was born British.

Since Ottawa politicians are dictated to by lobbyists from the other 3 Maritime provinces, it was predetermined before we were propelled into Confederation, that we (NLians) would in no way hinder or impede the economies of the Maritime provinces, or have any influence in the say of politics, or how our resources were to be dealt out.

Ottawa, to appease the Maritimes, made sure that the affairs of the Fishery would be dictated by the Maritimes. That was the reason we were not made part of the Maritime Federation in the first place, although, NO DOUBT, we were told something different. They constructed another banner to include us under, the banner was called the Atlantic Provinces. Now why else would they do that?

Ottawa, no doubt, had an agreement with the other provinces concerned, to allay their concerns and fears. Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick, no doubt, were told that they wouldn't have to worry, as affairs would be conducted as usual. You can be sure meetings were held in advance to work out the conditions under which Ottawa was going to bring NL into the fold.

Agriculture and the fishery were part of those discussions. The influence for the fishery would be held by the Maritime provinces and Agriculture would be conducted in the 3 Maritime provinces and that Newfoundland and Labrador would only be a consumer, not a producer or in other words not a competitor. We then became consumers of Maritimes Agriculture products and not Producers or Competitors. And no attempt was made by Ottawa to change things and to construct an Agriculture industry here. Despite the fact that every vegetable that grows in the Maritime can also grow here.


TO SUM UP: All concerns and all fears were allayed for the 3 Maritime provinces before Canada entered us into the fold. Ottawa had made sure that the Maritimes felt very secure in knowing that they would have all the influence and Newfoundland and Labrador would have none. They were assured that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians would be consumers; and the fishery, which fell mainly in Newfoundland and Labrador's waters would be securely under Maritime control. There was no other reason for putting the most Maritime province of the lot , Newfoundland and Labrador, under the Atlantic provinces banner and not under the Maritime province's banner. What was the need of two banners, in the first place? There was only going to be one other province incorporated. You see by Ottawa constructing another banner, contracts could then be made by Ottawa where the Maritimes Provinces benefited and Newfoundland Labrador would not. They will probably say the reason was the time-zone. But clearly that was not the case. Too many things have gone on with regard to Federal jobs going to the other 3 provinces and not to NL for it to be otherwise.

Over the years I have noticed many good things happening in the other 3 Maritime provinces that created jobs but didn't happen here in Newfoundland and Labrador. Just think of all the HIGH PAYING Federal jobs in the other 3 Maritime Provinces and the Military bases and the control that the 3 Maritime provinces has over the fishery. How naieve were our politicians to have let things go so long without intervention?

Anonymous said...

With respect to the poster who believes I am a newfie, well I can assure you that I am not. Actually I reside in Ontario, just thought you might like to get the facts straight.

Actually, I think Goose Bay could play a large for the CF....as a bombing range.

no longer proud said...

Anonymous said...

"Actually I reside in Ontario..."


*GASP*

An ignorant and bigoted retard from Ontario?!?!?! I'm shocked!

;-)

Anonymous said...

Anon This paragraph in Nav Canada's Report below will confirm that 75 planes WERE DIVERTED to Newfoundland and Labrador and 47 to Nova Scotia. I JUST WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT FOR YOU SO I AM POSTING THE ARTICLE HERE

Quote

NAV CANADA recovered 239 aircraft destined for the U.S. and Canada, and all landed safely in Canada without incident. Of these, 38 went to Gander, 1 to Deer Lake, 21 to St. John's, 8 to Stephenville, 7 to Goose Bay, 47 to Halifax, 10 to Moncton, 10 to Mirabel, 7 to Dorval, 14 to Toronto, 4 to Hamilton, 15 to Winnipeg, 6 to Edmonton, 13 to Calgary, 1 to Yellowknife, 3 to Whitehorse and 34 to Vancouver. Gander received 6,600 diverted passengers; Vancouver received about 8,500. The last aircraft to land was from the Pacific. By about 6:00 PM EDT, all planes had landed.
Military aircraft escorted two aircraft. One, an Air China Boeing 747 flying from Bejing to San Francisco, landed in Vancouver. The other, a Korean Airlines Boeing 747 carrying 207 passengers and crew and bound for New York landed in Whitehorse, Yukon. UNQUOTE





NAV CANADA and the 9/11 Crisis


Handling the crisis

Crises often tend to bring out the best in people. The response in Canada to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and the response of NAV CANADA employees in guiding aircraft to safety, then lending a helping hand to stranded passengers - is a case in point.

These skilled air traffic professionals guided 1500 aircraft to safe landings that day, including 239 diverted aircraft to Canadian airports across the country - most of which had been en route from Europe and heading for the United States.
On the morning of September 11, 2001, immediately following news of the attack on the World Trade Center, NAV CANADA established two command centres. The first one was a Strategic Command Centre located at the company's Head Office in Ottawa. Andy Vasarins, Vice-President, Operations, immediately took charge of this command centre and began overseeing and directing NAV CANADA's response to the crisis.
The second was a Tactical Command Centre headed by Kathy Fox, Assistant Vice-President, Air Traffic Services. Initially this centre was set up at the NAV CANADA Training Institute, in Cornwall, Ontario, as Ms. Fox happened to be chairing a meeting with her direct operational reports at the time of the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York.
Operational senior managers forming this Tactical Centre included all the General Managers of IFR Operations representing 7 Area Control Centres (ACCs) across Canada (Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Moncton, Gander) and 1 Terminal Control Unit in Ottawa. Also in attendance were the General Managers of Airport Operations responsible for the operational control of 42 control towers and 72 flight service stations across the country, as well as a number of functional directors.
The Strategic Centre ensured that vital and time-sensitive information or directives - emanating from NAV CANADA, Transport Canada, the FAA, National Defence and NORAD - would be passed on to the Tactical Centre, which would then ensure rapid dissemination and implementation of information or directives to ACCs, control centres, control towers and flight service stations.
The Tactical Centre remained active until normal air traffic services resumed several days after September 11. Once all planes had landed, around 6:00 PM on Sept. 11, the Tactical Centre was moved to Head Office and co-located with the Strategic Centre.
A military liaison centre was also set up at Head Office to ensure direct liaison with National Defence Headquarters. The Department of National Defence was, in turn, in liaison with NORAD authorities. This direct link with Canada's military allowed NAV CANADA to ensure any national security issues could be dealt with appropriately from the perspective of Air Traffic Services. For example, all essential flights during the shutdown of the Air Navigation System would require the approval of military authorities before being cleared to fly by Air Traffic Control.
Key decisions and actions taken

Shortly after the second attack on the World Trade Center, NAV CANADA increased security at all NAV CANADA facilities across the country in order to ensure the security of our staff and facilities.
Around 10:00 AM, NAV CANADA, on the order of the Minister of Transport, directed its operational facilities to initiate a ground stop of all traffic. The Notice to Airmen (NOTAM), issued to pilots at 10:43 AM (all times EDT) read: "Due to extraordinary circumstances and for reasons of safety, all departure services from NAV CANADA served aerodromes are ceased effective immediately. Due to closures of U.S. airports and airspace all National Traffic will be recovered in Canada."
At about 11:30 AM, the Canadian military implemented Emergency Security Control of Air Traffic (ESCAT), usually implemented in times of war. This was a Level-2 ESCAT, which permits only specifically designated aircraft to fly, subject to an approved Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plan or a Defence Visual Flight Plan. Under ESCAT, the military had executive control of the airspace but NAV CANADA continued to provide Air Traffic Services.
At 12:28 PM, the Minister of Transport ordered the closure of Canadian airspace. NAV CANADA would have to recover any aircraft flying, both domestic and international, as soon as possible. Typically, about 1,500 aircraft would be flying in Canadian-controlled airspace at the time the order was issued. The only exceptions were military, search and rescue, police, medevac and humanitarian flights.
By then, and because of the closure of U.S. airspace, the Gander Area Control Centre had already begun the complex task of redirecting oceanic flights. About 400 aircraft were already over the North Atlantic en route from Europe to North America. Of these, about 200 had not yet passed the halfway point. Without a great deal of prior notice, these aircraft - some flying at 40,000 feet - began making 180-degree turns as they headed back to airports in Europe.
The remaining 200 or so aircraft, many of which were of U.S. registry, were heading for the continental U.S. All were diverted to alternate airports in Eastern Canada. Some were too heavy to land and had to dump fuel, before being routed to the nearest available airport.
Simultaneously, over the North Pacific, commercial carriers en route from Asia to North America were being diverted to airports in Western Canada, primarily Vancouver.
Following the closure of Canadian airspace, the focus shifted to "clearing the skies". To land more than 200 planes in a few hours would be a complex and difficult task. The priority for the Tactical Centre was to determine airport runway capacity. Within a very short period of time, our control tower personnel, in consultation with airport authorities, determined how many planes each airport could handle.
NAV CANADA had been instructed by Transport Canada to avoid, if possible, redirecting planes to large urban areas such as Toronto, Montreal or Ottawa, because of security concerns.
All U.S.-registered carriers had been directed by the FAA, through their respective airline dispatchers, to land at the nearest available airport.
The Area Control Centres at Gander, Moncton and Montreal and the International Flight Service Station at Gander managed the re-routing of the North Atlantic aircraft. The tower and flight service station staff at St. John's, Gander and Halifax managed the ground situation, which required turning runways into parking ramps.
NAV CANADA recovered 239 aircraft destined for the U.S. and Canada, and all landed safely in Canada without incident. Of these, 38 went to Gander, 1 to Deer Lake, 21 to St. John's, 8 to Stephenville, 7 to Goose Bay, 47 to Halifax, 10 to Moncton, 10 to Mirabel, 7 to Dorval, 14 to Toronto, 4 to Hamilton, 15 to Winnipeg, 6 to Edmonton, 13 to Calgary, 1 to Yellowknife, 3 to Whitehorse and 34 to Vancouver. Gander received 6,600 diverted passengers; Vancouver received about 8,500. The last aircraft to land was from the Pacific. By about 6:00 PM EDT, all planes had landed.
Military aircraft escorted two aircraft. One, an Air China Boeing 747 flying from Bejing to San Francisco, landed in Vancouver. The other, a Korean Airlines Boeing 747 carrying 207 passengers and crew and bound for New York landed in Whitehorse, Yukon.
Accommodating passengers was a huge challenge for communities, who welcomed the large number of passengers and accommodated them in their homes and public facilities. NAV CANADA personnel participated in these efforts as volunteers.
Over the next two days, the restrictions put in place by the Minister of Transport and the Minister of National Defence were lifted progressively. Re-opening the airspace was also a difficult task because of all the security concerns and rules being applied in the U.S. and Canada.
On Sept. 12, and in response to a decision announced earlier that day by the Minister of Transport, NAV CANADA began providing take-off clearances and other air traffic services to aircraft that were diverted on Sept. 11 as a result of the events in the United States.
On Sept. 13, and in response to further direction received that day from the Minister of Transport, NAV CANADA resumed the provision of air traffic services for international and transborder flights, including over-flights, and for aircraft operating under VFR. Transborder flight operations were subject to the FAA lifting its restrictions on these and other international flights to/from the Unites States.
The restart was essentially completed by Sept. 13, with the last diverted aircraft departing on Sept. 16.
NAV CANADA showed its professionalism

The company relied on the professionalism of its employees, the procedures in place, and the technologically advanced air traffic management systems to safely handle this unprecedented situation. Never before in Canadian aviation history had this ever happened, or even been imagined.
Our success in coping with this crisis also depended very much on effective communication and the close cooperation with other organizations in Canada and the United States.
NAV CANADA faced an enormous task of draining the skies under Canadian control, as well as handling 239 diverted aircraft from overseas.
By the end of the day on Sept. 11, all flights had been handled safely and efficiently. There was not one single incident or loss of separation. This is a testament to the professionalism of all staff: Air Traffic Controllers, Flight Service Specialists, Air Traffic Operations Specialists, Technologists, the management team and others.
Through it all, NAV CANADA maintained the safety of the system, the most important aspect of air traffic services.











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Anonymous said...

I can't believe you are all using 9/11 as a contest.

Oh! oh! We got the most planes sent here....no we did! We did!

Grow up.

Anonymous said...

I gree with "anonymous said..." the newfs have to use the 9/11 tragedy to boost their self fragile esteem, it is truely pathetic!

And just for the record, Coni Rice thanked the Halagonians for their role during 9/11, I bet that's a kick to the nads for the newfs. Condi basically made it clear that your role was no more significant than any other Canadian, maybe even less.

Anonymous said...

By the way Anon this was a response to your Post above which I have pasted below. So stop your foolishness. If you make a statement, which is not true, I will respond. You appear to be a poster who posts for the sake of posting and controvrsay.


Anonymous said...
In response to post #6 by anonymous, what does all that nonsense (fish, oil, hydro...blah blah blah)have to do with Goose Bay? Once again you blame all your problems on somebody else...boo hoo hoo.

Maybe if your best and brightest didn't bug out for other parts of Canada and the world (who can blame them), you might be able to create an vibrant economy in newfoundland. face it dude, your only salvation is the generosity of Canada, in other words don't bite the hand that feeds you!

By the way, the majority of the aircraft landed in Halifax on 9/11. The Americans made sure that Condi thanked them (mostly) for their help on that tragic day. It is so dam pathetic that you in newfoundland want to constantly be admired for your small role on 9/11. Big deal I say.

October 13, 2006 3:54 PM

Anonymous said...

I guess the truth is difficult!

Anonymous said...

God bless the blogsphere!

Anonymous said...

Some people speak from both sides of their mouths. Such is the case with the Anon above who said the following ""By the way, the majority of the aircraft landed in Halifax on 9/11."

Once the facts were presented, facts that were written and published by Nav Canada that this was not the case, the same Anon wrote this from the other side of his/her mouth ""I gree with "anonymous said..." the newfs have to use the 9/11 tragedy to boost their self fragile esteem, it is truely pathetic! ""

The Anon you are addressing and you call ""Newf"" did not bring up this subject in the first place. It was you who did so. Why did you bring 9/11 into the picture if you didn't want the facts presented?

I will repeat again, you dense one, why did you bring up 911 and the erroneous statistic of the landings in Halifax? If you do not want your errors pointed out, please do not post to this blog such untruths.

Is it little wonder that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador is getting such a bad deal in Canada when a person such as this ANON espousing such views is living amongst us? NL with so many resources that are used for the good of the rest of Canada and NL with such a strategic location that gives Canada its complete Eastern Flank should be treated much more fairly by Ottawa than it is.

All NL needs is one bureaucrat in the bureacracy of Canada with such anti-NL feelings as the Anon who posts anti-NL sentiments here; and then the damage is done and continues to be done. Matters have to change in the political and bureaucratic system of Canada for Newfoundland and Labrador to get its rightful place and just desserts from the Nation called Canada. We, as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have to stop being complacent and have to make moves to have matters corrected.

Anonymous said...

You can't base your entire economy on resources, especially resources that will over time expire. So what are you newfs going to do when the oil is gone? Your going to have to find other avenues to sustain your economy. You need to diversify your economy, you need something besides natural resource revenues, so what are you going to do. If I understand it correctly, you have the highest illiteracy rate of the entire country. What are your provincial politicians doing to rectify that dismal statistic?

Anonymous said...

Anon you are the most annoying person.

You haven't been apprised, have you, that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador has 77% renewable resources compared to 12% for Nova Scotia and 27% for New Brunswick. And as well, you can be assured with all the waters that Newfoundland and Labrador brought into Canada, there exists in those waters much more OIL than does exist in the territory that is called Alberta. So please start worrying about the other provinces in the same way as you are sprouting off about Newfoundland and Labrador. Besides Newfoundland and Labrador has such a strategic location, every other province in Canada, other than British Columbia would make a trade for it.

Your disregard for Newfoundland and Labrador's resources show when you say """" You can't base your entire economy on resources, especially resources that will over time expire. So what are you newfs going to do when the oil is gone"""""?

ON THE STUPID QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOVE I HAVE A QUESTION TO PUT TO YOU ANON - WHAT IS ALBERTA,BRITISH COLUMBIA or ANY OTHER PROVINCE GOING TO DO WHEN THEIR RESOURCES ARE GONE? I ASSUME IT IS A WORRY FOR THESE PROVINCES AS WELL. Also Ontario only exists because of the resources of other provinces. If Ontario didn't have other provinces resources to draw on, there would be no industry there at all.

You are such a NO BRAINER ANON, I think it is time for you to stop posting such nonsence and asking such STUPID QUESTIONS because it only serves to makes you appear to be OVERLY STUPID.

Anonymous said...

Come on the Anon who wrote the statement I am pasting has to be a NL'ian who is so pissed off with the mainlanders, he is antagonizing his fellow NL'ians so has to get things moving. QUOTE You can't base your entire economy on resources, especially resources that will over time expire. So what are you newfs going to do when the oil is gone? UNQUOTE

I can't believe someone from the so called sophisticated Mainlanders would write something has Stupid as what I have put in QUOTES. It MUST BE a Newfoundlander and Labradorian who is so pissed off with what has happened to his/her province, he or she is starting to write inwardly. It just can't be a STUPID MAINLANDER, or can it be?

AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I AM ASKING THIS PERSON WHO ASKS SUCH STUPID QUESTIONS ON THIS BLOG, QUESTIONS OF MY OWN? But I have to because I can't let this crazy, evilish and devilish questioning to go on without rebuttal.

WJM said...

You haven't been apprised, have you, that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador has 77% renewable resources compared to 12% for Nova Scotia and 27% for New Brunswick.

What does this "statistic" mean?

What does it mean for a province to "have X% natural resources"?

Anonymous said...

To repweat, you can't base your entire economy on resources. You need innovation which requires well educated people. All your well educated people are leaving. All you have left are people who are relying on what is left of the fishery and the oil industry, the remainder are living off social assistance.

Oh, and by the way, how are things going with the upper churchill?

Anonymous said...

Who cares how many planes landed in Nfld on 9-11?

Is that all Nfld is good for?

Get over it. It was an emergency and geography was essential.


How will Nfld be able to survive if foreign planes, during an emergency, are no longer REQUIRED to land in Nfld?


Don't you think it is time to educate your people and develop something more reliable than allowing emergency landings?

Anonymous said...

The only person Anon who is talking about planes landing here in Newfoundland and Labrador during 9/11 is you. The others are responding to you. Shut Up.

WJM said...

No?

I'll ask again:

What does this "statistic" mean?

What does it mean for a province to "have X% natural resources"?


Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Shut the f*ck up, Myles. Outside 200 miles AIN'T YOUR WATERS!!!

Nobody's raping sh*t, you ignorant little f*ck.

WJM said...

Yet again:

What does this "statistic" mean?

What does it mean for a province to "have X% natural resources"?


Hint: What is is the denominator by which this percentage is calculated?

Thank you.

I really look forward to you answering this question, anonymous.

WJM said...

One last time I'll ask. Maybe anonymous will answer:

What does it mean for a province to "have X% natural resources"?

Hint: What is is the denominator by which this percentage is calculated?

Thank you.

I really look forward to you answering this question, anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Too all Fellow Newfoundlanders. Remember When the Federal Government was giving money to it's province's?, and that the government wasn't going to give Newfoundland and Labrador nor Prince Edward Island any of the money. Newfoundland And Labrador only got a small amount of it after Premier Danny Williams gave strict order to take down the Canadian flag from Government Building's! How come we got the money when Danny done that...Here's why. The Nikel mines, Churchill Falls Hydro, The Grandbanks Hyburnia oil, The slate mine, dont forget on signal hill in St.John's who is there at the geo center getting the dimonds...the fed's.....who got the shaft....the Province of Newfoundland. If it were Ontario the province would receive most of the revenue.
Now lets get back to Churchill Falls. If Newfoundland were to say well the hell with Quebec who cares if NovaScotia and parts of Ontario are without hydro. Lets cut that transmission line and wait for them to scream at Newfoundland! Then if they want the Hydro back it will cost alot more. The hydro is cheeper in Ontario then Compared to Newfounland Residence. Why you ask well....because Newfoundland Hydro is infact operated on the mainland and not in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador. But Why is That. Because of the man...oh you know him...Joey Smallwood. Now dont get me wrong joey was a good man and well not bad of a premier, but he got a raw deal with the churchill falls agreement. he bargined it to Quebec for 10 years too market the power. So therefore the contract got altered by adding another 0 to the 10. Newfoundland got screwed of 100 years. I say well since Newfounlanders are always getting the boot...It's time to put the heal the other way and put that foot up the federal government's behind and enough is enough! Newfoundland is a indeed a great province to live in. When you live on a land that is surrounded by the ocean it is isolated. And that is how the federal Government looks at Prince Edward Island And Newfoundland.

The Government really needs to think about what they really want to do with Newfoundland.

Should Newfoundland seperate from Canada?
I think that Newfoundland would just goto depression if it were to happen. The people of Newfoundland is most of the way there now. The lack of job's. The most profit type of job was the fishery. The Federal Government already stopped 85% of what it used to be.

The lack of jobs is to be blamed on the Government of Canada.
We as Newfoundlanders are too nice when it comes to the Government and that is why we get shafted! The Best premier Newfoundland has had in a long time is Danny Williams. Some people dont see that Danny williams is actually Doing something for this provence. When he Gave order to remove the Canadian Flags from Government buildings is the first step that a premier has ever done to defend the people of Newfoundland & Labrador. And for that I give Danny williams a round of applause because he is the right man for Newfoundland & Labrador. I am a Canadian and I am a Newfoundlander. But in my heart I am a Newfoundlander.
Adam Rose